Topic: Ruby cut to clear overlay goblet - 19thC glass? and what country

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Sorry for the delay in replying Ivo and thank you.  I did quite a bit of searching in the meantime, just to double double check as I felt the same as you, and believe you are right.
I've found a good few Bohemian bechers that are described as 'rubinglas' and show as pink rather than red on screen, but they are completely pink interiors with a clear overlay on top, not pink overlay on top.  And no cutting like this at all on any I can find.

I know I dig myself into corners frequently, but I am convinced this is American and I think it's probably 1850-60 ish.  The blue jug I put on another post, (listed by antique seller as possibly Sandwich http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,60735.msg342549.html#msg342549 and here http://rgantiques.com/Cobalt_Overlay_Pitcher.html
has good and obvious similarities with my goblet, but there are teeny differences - in that the ovals are slightly pointy top and bottom on the jug and the horse shoe shaped design ( where the bottom of the bowl meets the foot on mine), is all pointy ovals rather than upside down horseshoe design as mine is.  It's definitely the same design though.
Edited to add - Actually looking at mine again, I think they are pointy on mine as well.  It's just that the pink photographs particularly badly compared to blue and looks blurry, whereas the blue photographs very crisply and shows all the definition well.  So perhaps not the differences I noted to be honest.

I cannot believe this is Bohemian because of the colour/style of overlay and design, and the way the foot is applied and has the colour overlay on the base of the foot and then cut.  And I don't think the jug is either.
I equally don't believe it is French or English because of the indented rim (aware Baccarat did use this rim on some goblets but still don't believe it is French)and the design. And again I don't think the jug is either.
(Watch me turn out to be wrong now  )
Am pretty convinced it is American but just to work out whether it is Sandwich or Mount Washington or New England Glass Company really. 
I've had discussions and have sent emails and had some help which I'm trying to pin together into some evidence.  I have found one piece that has really good similarities but can't pull it all together yet.  If I find anything to clarify or hear anything more I'll post.

Any more help very gratefully received
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Just to correct my post above
The pink colour I have seen described is 'rosalinfarbenem Unterfang'.  Unterfang meaning it is underlayed and in the case of this one and the others I've seen, cased over with clear.
This is an example.  I've not seen any that have the pink as an overlay and cut to clear.
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5746352_pokal-josephinenhuette-glass-goblet-hunter-antique

and here is another described as 'Rosafarben'
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5746353_fussbecher-harrach-glass-beaker-dated-1842-antique

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Oh I did find this one here - I'd forgotten I'd found it.
Interesting, it is the pink over clear.  I've a feeling I've seen one other, very simple thin line design, a bit earlier I thought.

mid 19th Rubinierter Überfang stein - Lot 1011

http://www.zeller.de/index.php?id=348&backPID=348&scatIDs=21&auktion_suche=1&search_pid=348&begin_at=100

I still believe my goblet is not Bohemian though.
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With ref the transparent 'rosalin' coloured glass overlaid and cut over clear and my comment about thinking it would date much earlier, I have found a decanter and goblets in the Harrach Book:
page 98
Described as
'Rosaline Glass, cut
Execution: after 1840'
and then goes on to show a drawing of decanter and glasses stating, 'entry from invoice book (SOA Zamrsk, HSNS, Kniha K 1152, Facturen Buch 1840-1841 p.214)
So if it were Bohemian the technique could date back to 1840/41.
However,no evidence I could find in any of my books for the stem and pattern or foot  as being Bohemian.

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Link to cameo egg in same design
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,61299.msg345927.html#msg345927

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I'm delighted to find my goblet is so unique that no one has any opinion on it nor seen anything like it elsewhere 

For what it's worth, the stem is faceted in eight facets and join the foot without a merese.  I have seen a similar stem on a Bakewell Pears?(  I think it was Bakewell 'Pears') Champagne goblet - similar but not the same as it was 6 facets I think and the shape was slightly different. But the bowl and foot were different.
But in terms of shape that is the only thing I've seen that has any similarity at all.  And I've done a lot of hunting (as in, have looked at every single goblet listed in the Corning, along with hundreds of Dr Fischer auctions etc)

In terms of pattern or 'decor' there is that jug, my egg, ... and the two vase shapes produced at Gus Khrustalny, one in the brown of my egg and the other in the blue of the jug.
Other than that,nothing that I can find.

So no one on here has seen anything remotely like this at all?  Not even the elements on their own? like the petal foot, or the fat 8 facet stem? or the pattern on the bowl?

If you have, I'd be very grateful if you could share with me 

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the jug link to the blue overlay jug no longer works and goes straight to a 404 message not found -  but I found this here (I think the same jug) being sold as Bohemian c.1900 - just providing a link as I think it's the same jug.

http://guinevere.co.uk/product/accessories/bohemian-flash-cut-jug/

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Found this!
https://youtu.be/roWkB6tylPQ?t=114

Unfortunately the video plays on when linked, but the egg is at 1.54 of the video.
caption says

'Vintage Easter egg made ​​of glass and crystal on display in Gus-Crystal'

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[Ivo]

Lovely little film!

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yes   ( wish I could speak Russian.)
Very happy with that find,comparing my goblet in real life to the egg.  I'm 99.99% sure my goblet is Gus Khrustalny now.

On the orange egg, I've done a comparison and no longer think it is Ajka - similar design idea but differently executed and having found two of theirs in the similar design where you can immediately see they are the same house, I think it is not.
Have found pictures of nearly the whole collection at Gus K and there is a shot of an orange cut to clear jug and becher/beaker.  And they did the engraved designs on cut glass. So suspect at the moment that is from where it hails.  Will post pics when it arrives.

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