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Bohemian/Czech enamelled vase but what date?
« on: October 26, 2015, 06:11:24 PM »
Well my best guess is a Czech or Bohemian vase. Any suggestions as to when it was made would be very welcome.
 
The enamelling reminds me of the white and gold seen on some Bohemian glass circa 1880 - 1910, much like this:
http://www.thegildedcurio.com/item-Harrach-736.html

but the addition of bright primary colours and the shape of the vase look a bit later in date, perhaps more 1920s or 30s, yet the wavy pattern seems quite Nouveau in style to me.

Both the top and base rims are ground and polished, the vase is 12cm tall.

Help!

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Re: Bohemian/Czech enamelled vase but what date?
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2015, 02:55:20 PM »
Have you looked into ¨Josephinenhutte¨?

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Re: Bohemian/Czech enamelled vase but what date?
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2015, 08:38:32 PM »
Definitely a possibility but I think this Pfohl vase is interesting because of the similar construction: http://www.thegildedcurio.com/item-Bohemian-377.html

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Re: Bohemian/Czech enamelled vase but what date?
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2016, 04:41:59 PM »
Attributed to Josephine, same four colours and gold: http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/150902-josephinenhutte-glass-vase

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Re: Bohemian/Czech enamelled vase but what date?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2016, 09:28:27 AM »
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But no confirmation of that attribution.
I've seen quite a few of these around and never seen a definite identification on any of them. Some in worse condition than others.
I like them :)

The way the gold is applied looks quite hard/flat and sheeny? in the photos. ESpecially for example your last photo of the foot of the vase. It's different for example from the gold that is used on my old plate which has a courser burnished look to it.  On the other hand the colour and the white enamelling looks to have age.  It's a strange contradiction with the gold I always think when I see them. Perhaps the type of gold used is a clue.  Does the gold look aged in real life?  or does it look 'newer'? I don't recall thinking the gold looked like that on Fritz Heckert pieces for example. 

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Re: Bohemian/Czech enamelled vase but what date?
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2016, 05:19:31 PM »
The colours and the gold bands surrounding them are hand painted - I could see brush strokes in the colours, the gold around the rim and foot is a little different and far more uniform (worn very thin in places too), perhaps sprayed on or even a transfer.

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Re: Bohemian/Czech enamelled vase but what date?
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2017, 12:25:37 PM »
Hello, the vase reminds me on pieces by Lobmeyr.
The 1st pic is Loetz for Lobmeyr, and the 2nd one is Loetz and Meyr's Neffe for Lobmeyr.

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Re: Bohemian/Czech enamelled vase but what date?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2018, 04:35:49 PM »
My apologies SAWIVI, I am only now revisiting this topic. Your photos are very interesting thank you, similarities with the two vases far right in your second photo, especially the feet.

This one is described as Lobmeyr:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/b6/16/83b61609fdeb810009bb1c384e4c118f.jpg

Another example, this time 31cm tall. Revisiting my comment re the colours, much of Vienna's Art Nouveau was pretty vibrant.

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Re: Bohemian/Czech enamelled vase but what date?
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2018, 10:10:14 PM »
been wracking my brains over this for ages.
This is what is reminded me of:

https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,28028.msg152583.html#msg152583

I had one not as decorative as yours though, but in it also had a metal stand with it.

I wonder ? 

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Re: Bohemian/Czech enamelled vase but what date?
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2018, 05:50:30 PM »
Very interesting m thanks, Rachmann could have legs.

This vase has those white enamel dots just below the neck, a Pinterest image unfortunately:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/f0/01/a8f00182b2429599e5e571dc57699a2c.jpg

Found another example on David Littlefield's Loetz and Bohemian site, on the Other & Unidentified page described as maker unknown, possibly Steinschonau.

Click for photo of the vase

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