Topic: c.1750 18th century engraved goblet sold 1989 as Russian

[bat20]

Yup,having a good look at it I'm getting the love theme quite strongly,and I hope not just me,a touch of eroticism.

[flying free]

And another interesting piece linked to these hearts and Russian theme:

A 'Russian Wine Glass' sold by Christie's in 2001

Description as follows:

'Lot Description
A GERMAN GOBLET AND A RUSSIAN WINE GLASS
Mid-18th century
The bowl of the goblet with faceted lower portion enclosing eight air bubbles, faceted baluster stem and domed foot, engraved with the portrait head within a crowned cartouche issuing trumpets, spears, flags, cannon, barrels, drums and another military trophies, 9 5/8in. (24.4cm.) high, the bowl of the wine glass with faceted lower portion raised on a faceted baluster stem and circular foot, engraved with a flaming heart within a rocaille cartouche of diapered pattern and flowers, the far side engraved with a Cyrillic inscription, 7 5/8in. (19.3cm.) high; together with a German wine glass, 18th century, with a faceted inverted conical bowl engraved with a seated shepherdess with two lambs, the far side engraved 'Redlichkeit schreibt eigenhändich ware Freundschafft bleibt beständlich', within a foliate surround, the foot engraved with diaper pattern and scrolls, 8 7/8in. (22.5cm.) high   (3)'

Note: That is my underlining and bold to highlight that lot specifically. But interesting that we have another wine glass with flaming heart but with Cyrillic inscription.

http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-german-goblet-and-a-russian-wine-2053301-details.aspx?from=searchresults&&pos=7&intObjectID=2053301&sid=5f4bb66f-b1a9-42bd-aaba-20caa6eef07e&page=1&lid=1

Peter I haven't searched the entire museum collection of goblets again yet to check the shape, but I am wondering whether I'm going to find a thistle shape in the collection or not.
Perhaps these were 'imported' pieces - or the 18th century 'text' theme of hearts and love and flaming hearts was  common in various countries.  There was a link with Germany in the 18th century in terms of marriage in the ruling family if I have my facts correct.  But I'm not sure if there was as early as mid 18th, (certainly from 1780s I believe though will need to check that date again and correct if wrong).

m

[flying free]

see above
and umm, I, ve found a facet cut stemmed lidded goblet in a Russian collection now, engraved and gilded with suitor and lady and a flaming heart and Cyrillic inscription where it says it's Maltsov Glass 18th century.

m

[oldglassman]

 Hi ,
           Is it the crown over heart that implies  Constancy ?  or the inscription above , which is how I interpret the catalogue description.

a few clouds cuffs and hands below , Dutch engraved for Friendship and Marriage,

cheers ,
  Peter

[oldglassman]

 and another couple

[flying free]

On reflection I think it's the inscription  that refers to the Constancy. 
And that the picture is what denotes what the giver wishes to be constant I guess (so therefore may not relate to the message in my egg).

So in the case of the heart and crown with the inscription as wellI think it is conceiveable it's to do with being Constant in some form of royal position (duke/duchess/baroness or something is what I mean).  Or it might be that the crown and heart are just to do with marriage and love and therefore the Constancy is to do with the wish of the giver to the receiver that the marriage is constant (either meaning longevity of the marriage or the giver hoping for a marriage without ups and downs i.e a smooth and constant marriage).

It seems that the hands without the heart are friendship meanings.  Those with hands and heart might be love tokens as you say.

The lidded goblet has a suitor appearing to be handed a heart by a seated lady for example - The inscription is quite crudely done and translated appears to read 'I live in tears' .  That's a bit strange but perhaps means her love is unrequited from him or that she lives in tears until he accepts her heart or something.  It's engraved gilded with faceted stem and faceted bottom of bowl. Not thistle shaped bowl though.
For what it's worth, from looking at military uniforms it seems to me that the uniform is early 1700s and Austrian ?

So in total that makes three with Cyrillic script, one (the lidded goblet with suitor and flaming heart and lady )apparently id'd ?as Maltsov.]

I'll keep looking.

I

[bat20]

You may be used to such glass Peter ,but they blow me away,really like the first in your last post.

[flying free]

see my long post above bat's last one above and this is the goblet - the clothes look early 1700s and Austrian? to me but  the hat on him looks a bit odd? not entirely sure what uniform it is but it looks early to me.

Edited later - actually I've just seen a uniform of 1712-1720 Grenadier, Preobrazhensky leib-guard regiment and also a painting of Catherine the Great in the uniform of her Preobrazhenskii regiment so it might be that uniform maybe

here is the goblet
http://www.powerwriter.ru/images/steklo10.jpg

Uniform here if you type in
Catherine the Great by Virgilius Ericksen,1762
a picture of her on a horse comes up. Could be that uniform perhaps.
m

[flying free]

There is at least one thistle shaped goblet in the Hermitage collection - I say 'at least' because it's quite hard to know whether or not I have searched the entire collection or not, but I have found one
https://www.hermitagemuseum.org/wps/wcm/connect/98bc08d3-c06d-49c5-bb94-a297a6990fde/WOA_IMAGE_1.jpg?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=3bfd61b3-03e9-403a-aabf-b1ebb5593148

Goblet with the Portrait of Empress Elizabeth Petrovna and the 'EP' Monogram
Place of creation:
Russia
Date:
1741-1761
Material:
colourless glass
Technique:
blowing, matt engraving, cutting
Dimensions:
h. 22,5 cm
Income:
Entered the Hermitage in 1919; transferred from the Museum of the Society for the Encouragement of the Arts

m

[flying free]

This one doesn't have the heart on it but the words say
'Inseparable' and it shows clasped hands with cloudy cuffs.
https://d2mpxrrcad19ou.cloudfront.net/item_images/271254/8342418_fullsize.jpg

I thought it might prove the love thing, but I'm not sure it does not appear there are any romantic emblems on it.
Perhaps this is also the hand of friendship - don't know what the laurel wreath type thing signifies?
m