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Dating Sabino signatures?

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AdrianW:

--- Quote from: Mosquito on January 12, 2016, 05:06:22 AM ---As a rule, the fine diamond point incised signature is earlier -- see below for an example from a pre-war vase 'Les Colombes' (Cat. no. 7005). Modern pieces tend to have a much broader engraved mark that looks like it's been done with a rotary tool.  I also have some older pieces with engraved marks, but the tip used is much finer than that seen on the newer pieces. Will post some more examples tomorrow.

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Thank you Mosquito; that's really useful info - and I love that vase too! That's clearly what I'd call "old French glass" :) I look forward to seeing more examples!


--- Quote from: Anne Tique on January 12, 2016, 07:25:35 AM ---Yes of course, sorry,  :-[ misunderstood the question, thought we were talking about a different shape or type of signature if the piece would be more recent.

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Thank you Anne - you didn't misunderstand, Mosquito has just taken things down a different path; which was unexpected - but much appreciated!

So; thank you both!

Mosquito:
A couple more examples. First is a diamond point incised mark from a pre-war poisson "Chabot" (cat. no. 5023). The second mark is engraved with a fine point (much finer than seen on current production) and is from an example of "Les Deux Coers" (cat. no. 8591). I can't be 100% sure of the age of this one but given the fine quality of the moulding and the lack of any signs of pitting/ wear to the mould I believe it's older and probably pre-war.

The Deux Cours figure also has a moulded mark "Sabino France" round the edge of the base but it's very faint and I couldn't get a clear picture of it.

I no longer have any new pieces in my collection, but you can see examples of the current style mark online here: Mod: Link removed as content changed to inappropriate site and here: http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/glass_signatures/glass_signatures.htm (scroll down).

Older Sabino glass tends to show a greater variety of marks. Some early Platax vases have a moulded script mark to the base. An example (miss-pressed) can be seen on Roy's black vase here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,57664.msg326930.html#msg326930

I also have a promotional item made by Sabino for the Augustin Normand shipyard. This has an acid-stamp mark, again, something I've not seen on modern production (sadly no picture as it's back in the UK).

glass man:
I was told years ago that the early pieces can feel like a bar of soap. My glass club went on a home visit some time ago where the people said that the new Sabino can be made in several different country's now. Thus the difference in quality I guess? Bob

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