Topic: Attributed to Greener and named "Dorset"?

[tlfoozer]

I've seen this pattern identified as pattern name "Dorset" and it has been suggested that it was manufactured by Greener.

Does anyone know how it got the name "Dorset"?
Most of all, what is the registration number for this piece?

This butter is 5" tall.
The lid is 5.5" in diameter.
The base is 7" in diameter.

When I first saw this butter dish, I thought "Davidson" but since there is no RD number on either the lid or the base the search began.  Any ideas?

[Lustrousstone]

I think you're right in that it's not Davidson but I don't know whether it's Greener or even called Dorset. I believe many of the names were invented by US writer William Heacock for the American market, as most English glass doesn't have a manufacturer's name

[flying free]

Wasn't it Burtles and Tate who made a yellow opalescent glass swan I think.  Could it be by them?
They also made a yellow glass elephant with heavy opalescence
https://sites.google.com/site/molwebbhistory/Home/registered-designs/burtles-tate-designs-by-date/burtles-tate-1886-1889
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[agincourt17]

A pretty piece.

Certainly doesn’t match any Davidson pattern (registered or otherwise) that I am aware of, and neither does it seem to match any of the Burtles, Tate & Co. designs.

The Greener & Co. pattern from their registered design number 304505 (registered 3 September 1897) seems not to be too dissimilar (though the pattern in the ‘loops’ is of hobnails, whereas the pattern within the loops of the covered butter dish shown seems to be of rosettes).  Some examples of Greener & Co.’s RD 304505 are unmarked. The design is known in clear, opalescent blue and opalescent yellow glass).  The Greener & Co. yellow opalescent glass does vary in tone (more often than not a slightly pale greenish-yellow) and the degree of opalescence is also quite variable.

I attach photos of some examples for comparison, though I don’t have a photo of a covered butter dish in the pattern to show.
 
Greener & Co. designs sometimes had pattern numbers, but I don’t know of any given actual names by the manufacturer.

Plagiarism of designs (pattern, shape and colour) was rife at the time. Could it be an American piece, perhaps?

Fred.

[tlfoozer]

Thank you everyone for your responses!  I have 3 suspect registration numbers that "might" be this butter dish.  I'll try to find examples of these and either one of them is it or at least I'll know what this dish is not!  Here are the 3 RD's that might be it;
196641
258156
276977
If anyone has a sketch or photo of any of these, please let me know.  Thanks again for everyone's help!

[Anne]

Rd No 276977 is shown in the board's Registered Designs album:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=763

You can see the three images we have here:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-21561
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-21562
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-21563

[agincourt17]

See attached photos for Greener RD 196641 (registered on 10 August 1892), but no match again, unfortunately.

I’m afraid that I don’t have any photos of Greener’s RD 258156 (registered on 15 July 1895), but Jenny Thompson ‘s ‘ The Identification of English Pressed Glass 1842-1908’ describes it on page 15 as “Imit. cut with star pattern forming lines and diamonds”.

If anyone does have photos of RD 258156, then I too would be very interested to see them as I know of no other extant examples.

Fred.

[Lustrousstone]

You also have to remember that all these English companies registered only a small proportion of their designs, though Davidson registered more than most,

[pamela]

  Brockwitz 1915 FRIDA (two more pages of Frida) certainly looks like a close relative, especially considering the different versions of shapes and handles and different count of rays shown in their catalogue. However, the base of original poster's butter dish does not look familiar and not Brockwitz'ish to me.
 

[pamela]

Searched my collection for similar items and found these:

1st photo 3426: a small plate of approx Ø 15 cms - unmarked

2nd photo 3414: a bowl on hollow foot and with heart-shaped holes in the upper rim - this one is very, very faintly marked in the slightly dimpled center of the bowl

3rd photo 3419: best I could do

4th photo 3433: mark on blue play dough

I'm pretty certain now that this reads: REIMS

According to Ivo and Hartmann Glasmarken-Lexikon the maker is Verreries Mécaniques Champenoises, Reims/France.
Please also see Pressglas-Korrespondenz 2005-3 

Please note that I do not say tlfoozer's butter dish is in fact REIMS - I only wish to show a very similar pattern.