Topic: Goblet

[Antwerp1954]

 I recently bought this goblet in an auction in Germany. The auction house cited a reference from the glass museum at Passau and say that the glass was probably made about 1840 by Morchenstern in Bohemia.

It's a good sized goblet - height 17cm and the bowl holds just over 300ml (over half a pint). It has a polished pontil mark. What makes me doubt the dating is the style of the glass with the cut stem and the style of decoration. I'm more inclined to date it at 1800. What do others think?

[Antwerp1954]

Three more pictures

[Anne]

Your pictures are too small, you need to make them so that the longest side is around 700 pixels long, and then save for web, so the files will be less than 125kb. You don't need to make thumbnails as the board does that for you auto-magically when you upload the bigger image.

[Antwerp1954]

I had terrible problems with uploading these pictures. The system would not accept jpeg format - surely one of the most common picture formats. I then reduced to 640 pixels down one side and the system rejected them stating that the file size was too big! I tried several times and spent about an hour trying to do it. Why can't we have bigger file sizes allowed?

[Antwerp1954]

Try again

[Antwerp1954]

Finally!

[Anne]

Save your image as .jpg not .jpeg. 

The reason we cannot have bigger images is that they take up more space on the server and that space has to be paid for by the board's owner. It is not infinite space. Neither is it difficult to resize images to fit our limits. There are help topics available in the Help and Info forum or you can use a simple online resizer to get them to the right size. 700 pixels along the longest side and compressed for web will make the images fit just fine.

[flying free]

if it helps at all, I size to 600 x 400 (yours are at 378 x 283 so quite a bit smaller) pixels and that fits under the 125 limit. It also means they resize when clicked on, to an image where the detail can be seen. 

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[flying free]

That pattern has been discussed on here before.
I related it to a night flask and becher which has the same pattern and is faceted the same as your goblet and is in
Das Bohmische Glas Band II page 210 - dated c1840 and listed as probably Morchenstern.

I think Peter had more information on that particular pattern which he spoke about on the other thread.
I will try and find it for you just in case it helps.
m

[flying free]

see my post above and here is the link to Peter's further discussion.
Hope it helps

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,54820.msg310765.html#msg310765

ah, I see from reading back through that thread that you were on it anyway and so probably know all this.  sorry.

Peter remarks on there about the pattern being used over a very long time period from 18th to 19th.
If you are just comparing shape not pattern, then the faceted bowl of your goblet is v similar to the faceted flask and becher in thebook as I quoted above.  So date wise would possibly be a good match if the faceting is v similar and the design is exactly the same and the design has been used over a long period of time.  That would just leave the faceted stem as a deciding factor wouldn't it?  Therefore I suppose one would have to prove that that kind of faceted stem was not used in the period 1800 afterwards in order to date it specifically to c.1800?
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