Topic: Stuart cut crystal--Ludwig Kny pattern?

[chopin-liszt]

I don't think I've been to London since I met you Paul. It's donkey's years since I've been, now.
My family moved up here 4 years ago, and I hadn't been down to see them for several years either, they came up more often, travelling to London got much more difficult and far too expensive, and I didn't need to go.

[Scott13]

Thanks for all the info you've provided Paul.
Yes, I'll have to start using the Board's search engine more.

Sue........Collusion, that sounds even more interesting !
 
Many thanks
Scott
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[nigel benson]

Hi Scott,

Firstly, my gut reaction is that this is likely to be a John Luxton design, largely because of the style of design of the cutting combined with the techniques used.

However, the answer is possibly in the backstamp, since "Stuart England" had a number of versions - so which is yours??

If you are not able to photograph it (since it can be very difficult) perhaps you could describe it. Is the type face plain, or with serifs; is it on one or two lines; are there any curls, or extras to the letters, etc., etc.?

Nigel 

[Scott13]

Hi Nigel,
From my observations the Stuart mark is sans serif, I can't see any curl at the end of Stuart and the mark is on two lines.
The crossbars of the t seem to slant upwards.

I've taken some pics which may help !
Scott

[Paul S.]

There are one or two variations of the Stuart backstamp on the Boards 'Glass Gallery'  -  which you might consider are a little clearer than those just posted.
Not easy to produce good close up shots of factory marks etc. - I know as I spent a lot of time trying  -  a passable result can be achieved using a loupe/lens between the camera and subject, using good reflected light and a dark background, and lots of perseverance.                            Anyway have a look at the Glass Gallery, and see what you think

[Scott13]

Hi, I tried to take some better pics ( black background, head torch etc etc ! ) but to no avail.
Anyway, thanks for the hints.

I'm more than almost sure it's the mark which was used from c 1930 to 1950 ( Nigel's 'Glass of the 50s and 60s, Collector's  Guide'-page 58 )
Scott

[Paul S.]

if you read back (when you've a week or two to spare) at the various earlier Board conversations about Stuart marks, it does become apparent that there isn't a really hard and fast rule as to exactly the years when individual backstamps were used  -  some overlap was inevitable presumably.

Try a cheap lens between the camera and subject, and with reasonable lighting and a dark background you may be surprised at the improvement in close up quality, but as we're always saying, photographing clear glass is never easy.

[KevinH]

If it is of any help, I can confirm, by using Scott's first signature image of the signature with the web page set to +500% enlargement, that the mark on Scott's vase is:

Two lines;
Sans Serif;
The first "t" of "Stuart" shows definite evidence of the upward-sloping "cross bar";
The final "t" of "Stuart" has no curl; 
The final "t" is aligned immediately above the "D" of "ENGLAND".

http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/marks-s.htm shows the marks and from my examination, I am sure that it is the one described in that web page as "acid-etched C 1920s - 1950" (but stated as "1930 - 1950" in Nigel's book).

[Scott13]

Hi, if you've a spare couple of minutes perhaps you could Google ' Ludwig Kny Glass '. In ' Images '
you'll see a vase and shallow dish (together) attributed to him.
They seem to have features in common with my vase.

The deeply outlined mitre cuts ( vase and shallow dish), a particulat form of stylised leaf ( dish ).
And perhaps more tellingly the horizontal cuts near the rim.

All of these features can be seen in my vase.

Any thoughts? Thanks

Scott

[Paul S.]

It will help if you add the link Scott  -  not sure which you referring to.