Topic: Stuart cut crystal--Ludwig Kny pattern?

[Scott13]

Sorry, I seem to have a glitch in the system and can't send links at present.
If you Google ' Ludwig Kny Glass', on ' Images' it's the first image, a vase and a shallow dish.
At least that's where it is on my screen!
Scott

[KevinH]

I think this is the image: saleroom.com Biddle & Webb auction 2014

[chopin-liszt]

I note this section in the T&C;
"Every care is taken to ensure that any statements as to authorship, attribution, origin, date, provenance are reliable and accurate, but such statements are statements of our opinion and not to be taken as statements or representations of fact."
There is absolutely no evidence for this auction lot being a Kny design.

[nigel benson]

Not all that glisters is gold on the internet I'm afraid.

Why not say that it's Ludwig Kny if you don't know any better?? In this case the T&C's cover them (as Sue points out), in others it's likely a name to hang on an item someone wants to sell I'm afraid

[Paul S.]

quote from Nigel ........."Why not say that it's Ludwig Kny if you don't know any better??"  ............    that's just the problem  -  too many people who lack honesty in their descriptions - and they seem to inhabit the internet market place especially.
Ebay abounds in descriptions that are purposefully ambiguous and with very dubious name association, solely to up the price, and unfortunately ebay take no interest in correcting unreliable attributions.       

not sure what   ........   "Every care is taken to ensure that any statements as to authorship, attribution, origin, date, provenance are reliable and accurate"   .............. would be interesting to hear what that means in this instance.

[Scott13]

Hi, I agree entirely with what's been said.
It must be virtually  impossible to attribute honestly an unsigned, unrecorded, oldish piece (my vase perhaps being a good example) to a particular designer or maker.

I really don't mind that my vase hasn't the cachet of a LK or JL 😩.
I bought it because of its refreshingly different design--LK or JL never crossed my mind.
It was only when I started to do a bit of digging that I thought it could conceivably be a LK ( or JL ) piece.

Many thanks to you all for taking the time to reply--much appreciated.
And thanks to KevinH for identifying the backstamp for me and for posting the Link.

Scott

[chopin-liszt]

I would personally be more than happy with Nigel's opinion that it is a John Luxton design.
Nigel knows his stuff and would not give an opinion if he had doubts, without clearly clarifying those doubts.

[Paul S.]

perhaps I've missed something, but my rather less than 20/20 vision suggests to me that the cut design on Scott's vase is not the same as shown on the link posted by Kevin.   -   I would also be more than happy with any opinion from Nigel regarding this particular design as being more likely to have its origin in John Luxton.

The cut pattern shown on the vase and oval tray in Kevin's link is a design which appears in Nigel/Jeanette's publication - page 15  - the centre vase in photo 54  -  although I'm a little confused Nigel as to it's connection with the vases either side of it, which look to be a different pattern, and it looks to be those either side of the centre vase that are the subject of the caption.                   In the booklet there is no attribution given for any of the three vases.

One possible reason for being over keen to attribute some of these floral based designs to Kny, is that in the '20s he specialized, apparently, in mitred cuts to represent stylized leaves - which were often outlined in fine v-grooves.

[Scott13]

Hi, although the designs are different, there are horizontal cuts present in both vases ( possibly to link the tops of the floral sprays ). To eliminate any confusion I'm talking about my vase and the one on the link🙂

It was this that made me think that they could have had the same designer ?

I would also be more than happy to accept Nigel's opinion 🙂
Scott

[nigel benson]

To answer your query about a connection between the three vases on page 15 of the Art Deco to Post Modernism catalogue Paul. There is no connection. I'm guessing that when Jeanette took the photos she felt that the three worked well together as an image, as well as falling into a timeline. This often happens in books and we can spend hours ponding only to realise it's what material that was available at the time which dictates these things 

No pressure here then? Wipes brow anxiously....and explains.....in an increasingly dry voice, err, err, well, hmm, ah, yes, well I think that, that hmm, yes, that the vase shows stylistic similarities with the work of JL rather than that of LK.

Of course failing catalogue entries that can be used to verify this, it's still only, perhaps, an informed hunch...............  

Cheers, Nigel