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Author Topic: Blown and cut 2 piece vase on stand, c. 1875?  (Read 1079 times)

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Offline cagney

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Blown and cut 2 piece vase on stand, c. 1875?
« on: April 23, 2016, 12:22:44 PM »
Very tall  [ 21 3/4 inches ] lead glass. English?, American? The size leads me to think a very specialized piece. Possibly ordered as a pair for a "great" table?
 Frosted part is satin finnish by acid. Pretty sure both pieces original as it is a perfect fit at the ground and polished juncture.

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Re: Blown and cut 2 piece vase on stand, c. 1875?
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2016, 01:09:35 PM »
Quite possibly English. I do see a lot of desert plates, which would be part of the same table service, around in antique places. I've never seen a candlestick before.
I'm assuming English, because of the number I see around and there is nothing to suggest they could possibly have been made in Scotland (which is where I am, but glass does travel, and England isn't too far away.)
They have some decent age, but I'm clueless about exactly how much.
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Re: Blown and cut 2 piece vase on stand, c. 1875?
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2016, 01:59:25 PM »
The frosted top with Greek key pattern reminds me of a Molineaux Webb bowl I've seen, somewhere, ::)  ;D

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Re: Blown and cut 2 piece vase on stand, c. 1875?
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2016, 02:13:59 PM »
Is it missing two plates similar to this one?.

It looks like a plate stand with a small flower vase on the top.
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Re: Blown and cut 2 piece vase on stand, c. 1875?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2016, 02:27:49 PM »
Thanks, Sue

Vase part has smooth rounded bottom inside. Truly think it was intended as a vase. I suppose if intended as a candlestick the flame would have to be at or above the 4 1/2 in. dia. rim opening.
Thinking elaborate high end Victorian table setting.

Keith,
Yes, A very popular motif on both sides of the Atlantic in this time period. The hollow cut [reverse baluster?] stem and wide foot bespeak American manufacture. Don't know how common this design element is in Britain.

brucebanner,

Thats it. The disks where the plates would sit are cut and polished only on the top side as well as the collar or race above for proper fit.

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Re: Blown and cut 2 piece vase on stand, c. 1875?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2016, 02:50:45 PM »
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Sorry, I think I got it all wrong when I said "candlestick". I can see now that it isn't.
But I've still never seen one before!
Just semi-frosted, greek-key patterned, desert plates, with star cut bases, which would match this beautifully.
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Re: Blown and cut 2 piece vase on stand, c. 1875?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2016, 02:52:11 PM »
Greek key lasted for a long time at least 60 years that i know of on the dated ones i have, your piece  could have been made down the road from where I live. Paul is good on his hollow stem dating i think, at a very loose guess i would go for 1860's on the one shown.

Here is a large butter dish I found today, i'm thinking 1880's in date with the Greek key design and i'm sure made local as it has the start of what looks like a popular Stuart pattern on the upper rim.

I like collecting the hand made version of the pressed glass items they seem to be cheaper.

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Re: Blown and cut 2 piece vase on stand, c. 1875?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2016, 03:57:28 PM »
It does look like an epergne, or flower stand - and the 'vase' part is large enough to hold a few short-stemmed flowers.               Looking at Silber & Fleming, a lot of these single trumpet flower stands incorporated bowls that sat lower on the stem, and these would have held more flower heads or whatever, but this one doesn't have a metal screw to seal the join, so possibly not bowls.     
Always possible that originally there was an additional part/s that attached in the area "where the plates would sit" - such as extra trumpets - these things often had multiple containers for flowers.                The Victorians were mad keen on epergnes, flower stands, fern boxes and combination fruit and flower stands, so perhaps Chris is correct with his suggestion that a plate or two is missing, and they would have held fruit.
Is there any wear in the place where the plates might have located?? .............   and come to that what is the extent of wear under the foot -  assume no marks or similar anywhere.        If this were a table item and of the age suggested, then I'd expect to see considerable wear under the foot.

yes, inverted baluster (swelling at the top rather than the bottom), but not very pronounced so unsure if it really qualifies for that description.           Are we confident of the reasons given for this to qualify for States production especially  -  had thought such features were common in the U.K. as well.

As to date - in view of the acid work then almost certainly not before 1850's (C.H. - page 175 in Brit. Glass) and doubt that we'll get any closer than 1860's to 1890's, although would agree that the Greek key does suggest 1860s - 1880s.            Not easy to see exactly the style of this 'key'  -  it doesn't look similar to the M. W. key  -  but since the attached pix are against a white background then images unclear.   
Clear glass should always be photographed against a uniform dark background.
To quote C.H. again.............  "The correct identification and dating of 19th century cut glass is one of the most difficult areas of glass collecting.............     "The situation is further complicated by the reproduction of patterns beginning as early as the 1880s, and continuing into the 1920s."
All a bit woolly I'm afraid, but just one of those (probably incomplete) things that will defeat exactness.

nice butter dish Chris  -  but think I'd want more proof of the age you're suggesting............     that criss-cross pattern must have been made for ever and a day by the world and his wife, although appreciate the Greek key is where you're coming from re the date. :)





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