sorry - just trying to get my head straight here -
a) Having read the long previous thread it appears I did find a pink vase with 'fishscale' decoration with the design number 39086 painted on the base apparently in black with a thin border around the number. Link was to a vase in Trocadero and it's now dead.
The 39086 rd number has been found impressed on the clear fishscale vases registered by Wittmann and Roth.
Note - the pink vase I found only had the number enamelled on the bottom in black.
b) then I found this Fieldings version also pink, with an rd number of 41925 (apparently registered by Wittmann and Roth (see d) ) and sold by Fieldings as Thomas Webb.
http://fieldingsauctioneers.co.uk/lot/4696c) these pink 'fishscale' type vases with a cream interior have been seen with enamelled GSF or GLF signatures on
d) Paul looked up the rd number 41925 with info as follows:
'...interesting to note that Rd. 41925 dated 26th January 1886 is included in Thompson, and described by her (although possibly taken from another location) as "Pattern worked on body of the glass to represent fish scales" ...'
and
'The Registrant for 41925 was Wittmann & Roth, London, 'Glass & China Manufacturer'. '
e) Then another pair were sold by Fieldings as Thomas Webb that have a similar/the same zig zag collar to one in cream 'fishscale' with bulbous body and which has a GLS GFS signature only on the base. The cream bulbous body vase is remarkably similar to a pink fishscale vase in the same shape, except it is fully cream,not pink over cream.
Which begs the questions:
Why did Fielding sell one with that RD 41925 number on as Webb?
Where is the proof it was made by Webb's?
and also
How come I found a pink fishscale version with the design number 39086 enamelled on it's base?
Were there two separate rd numbers for these vases?
For shape information I'm adding:
this one - sold last year by Fieldings sold as Thomas Webb, but also says made for 'Whitman (sic) & Roth' and says it has an rd number on the base (not identified in the listing). It is a clear 'fishscale' design straight sided wide tube shape with a bulbous ring around the base above an indented foot. Gilded with birds.
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/fieldings-auctioneers-ltd/catalogue-id-srfi10035/lot-1da0ba96-d4c6-47b5-b416-a49000c2b44band another in pink - sold as : A small late 19th Century Thomas Webb & Sons vase for Whitman & Roth (sic) of ovoid form cased in pink
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/fieldings-auctioneers-ltd/catalogue-id-srfi10035/lot-8623e348-367e-4eb7-ac51-a49000c2c691and yet another jug version
http://fieldingsauctioneers.co.uk/lot/120728which appears to be very similar to this clear jug
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/c-1885-Reg-No-39086-HAMMERED-METAL-Wittmann-Roth-CRYSTAL-w-GOLD-Pitcher-/231784032960?hash=item35f767aac0:g:nQ4AAOSwhkRWbyEgWhere is the proof they were made by Webb's?
Judging by the number of examples I've found, whoever produced them was pretty prolific if this many have survived.
Incidentally - love the owl on a crescent moon logo for Wittmann and Roth - could it have been chosen as the Owl (too'wit' toowoo) for Witt, and moon for 'mann'?