Topic: Sowerby pattern 1349

[brucebanner]

i now seem to be collecting these on top of everything else, i can not see this one on here, the lozenge looks to to be 20th March 1878 .

It's either 1349 or 1549, difficult to read the text on in the catalogue online and my catalogue is missing the number.

4 inches in height, 2 1/4 inches across the rim and 1 7/8th inches across the base.

[Paul S.]

I'm fairly sure Chris this isn't one of the five from that date  .........    will continue to look and let you know if successful.

[agincourt17]

Not a pattern that I have come across before, Chris, but definitely Sowerby pattern 1349 - shown on the extreme right of the bottom row on page 6 of pattern book IX (1882).

The lozenge for 20 March 1878- Parcel 7 covers a bundle of 5 design registrations which, I think, correlate with pattern numbers as follows:
RD 319585   vase   pattern 1298    p6, IX (1882)
RD 319586   biscuit jar   
RD 319587   plate   pattern 1339   p39, XI (1885)
RD 319588   two-handled basket   pattern 1297   p5, IX (1882)   from Cottle
RD 319589  vase   pattern 1299   p6, IX (1882)   from Cottle

I have reference photos for all the designs in this bundle EXCEPT for RD 319586, so I would have assumed that pattern 1349 corresponded to the 'biscuit jar' RD 319586 - ?

I will attach pics of the known pattern number - RD number correlations in this post and the follow-ups

Fred.

[agincourt17]

More from 20 March 1878 - Parcel 7.

[brucebanner]

it's about the clearest lozenge i have seen recently.

[Paul S.]

I've checked masses of Archive pix, but couldn't see this one  -  something is wrong -  but really not sure what.         It's the handles that trouble me.               Tomorrow I'll try again, but would have thought a biscuit jar would have a lid.

[Anne]

Page 6 of the 1882 catalogue is spills, vases and baskets. Not a mention of biscuit jars anywhere. If this is only "4 inches in height, 2 1/4 inches across the rim and 1 7/8th inches across the base." as per OP then it's most like a spill or a small vase, surely?  Too small for biscuits, plus with no lid they'd go soft. Not into small soft biscuits myself!

[Paul S.]

quote  ...........   "It's either 1349 or 1549, difficult to read the text on in the catalogue online and my catalogue is missing the number."

I'd assumed from this that Chris was confirming he'd actually found an image of this shape in the catalogue  -  but I take it that's not the case.

Chris, does this piece have Sowerby's Trade Mark of the peacock's head, and do we know if other pieces from around the time this one is alleged to have been made, all have trade marks, or is the appearance of that little head rather hit and miss?

I'd agree unlikely to be a biscuit jar  -  think you'd probably only get a single rich tea in there.               Weren't Garibaldi a tad on the soft side  -  seem to remember they contained squashed currants or sultanas - small and soft can be appealing, sometimes

[Anne]

Paul, there is indeed an image of the shape in the catalogue on page 6, but it has no visible pattern number - I checked on the Thistlewood Sowerby CD #1, not the online one referred to above, which is on Wayne's site here:  http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/glass_catalogues/sowerbyglass_catalogues/sowerbyglass_catalogue1882-06.htm - as you can see, the page is headed  vases, spills and baskets and gives the list of colours they came in, and shows an unreadable number.

As to intentionally soft ones like Garibaldi biscuits, they never lasted long enough in this house to need a biscuit jar!

[Paul S.]

thanks Anne - my mistake then for jumping to the wrong conclusion.      I will go back over the Archive images  -  perhaps I've missed seeing this.
Those handles are distinctive - you'd imagine it would be difficult to miss an item looking like that.