Topic: Sowerby sugar bowl, Queen's Ivory ?

[keith]

If I'm reading the kite mark correctly it's 1868.

[nick.a]

Hi Keith,
It's pattern #1350 shown here: http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/glass_catalogues/sowerbyglass_catalogues/sowerbyglass_catalogue1882-07.htm with a variation here: http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=5075
Kind regards
Nick

[keith]

Thanks Nick 

[Paul S.]

I'm fairly sure this factory pattern relates to Registration 328744 dated 4th November 1878  -  there were in fact twelve Registrations on that date.
Have a look at the attached and tell me if you disagree..............    starting at the top and working clockwise, Keith, the details on the diamond should read....      4  -  D  -  11  10, and of course it will be from the second period lozenges.                I'm assuming that the '1/2' size is just a smaller example.                        It's apparently described as a vase, but looks to me more like a bowl.
The original factory drawing appears to show three legs only, but am sure that's just the artists way of showing the legs on the drawing, since yours does have four, and as is mostly the case this Registration is protecting the shape rather than any decoration.
Very nice by the way.                  Personally I found the '20th Century Glass' description confusing........   If I didn't know better, I'd be unsure as to what to call this.....    milk glass or Vitro-Porcelain or Queen's Ivory  ..............   I'm probably being thick, but from the wording it appears that these terms are equal and interchangeable, which of course they're not.   
Anyway, let me know if you agree that pattern 1350 equates to Rd. 328744.  

[keith]

I always thought this stuff was vitro-porcelain  there are a few differences to the drawing you posted and you'll have to excuse the scribble, it was Leonardo's day off ! the numbers on the lozenge are different, impossible to photograph ! 

[Paul S.]

Keith  -  you're correct, and the wrong month detail was my mistake  -  I put eleven for November, when correctly it should have been K, so my apologies.
Yours may well be Vitro-Porcelain - it's not always easy to tell from a screen picture, and if so it will be 'whiter' than Queen's Ivory ware, which is more of a cream colour, and of course fluoresces under UV, to give a uranium green glow............. and of course I'd picked up on your subject heading, and assumed you had already put the torch over your bowl.       If yours doesn't glow then yes, it will be simply Vitro-Porcelain, and the Mods. might care to amend the heading.                                 Nothing to do with Milk Glass, however.

But assume you do agree that the shape agrees with the Registration picture.

[nick.a]

Hi guys,
I'm reading it as a second series lozenge, using 4 as the day, D as the year (1878) and K as the month (November)
Giving 4th November 1878 and RD 328740.
Is this correct?
Nick

[keith]

Hello Paul, will check the uv in the morning, would have move stuff to get to the lamp ! but it is cream coloured and not white so probably Ivory ware and not vitro-porcelain as I thought 

[nick.a]

Hi Guys,
Should have looked in Cottle before posting, because then I'd have seen 4/11/1878 had registrations for Rd 328740 to Rd 328751 Doh!, a biscuit box it ain't. Cottle gives 1350 1/2 as Rd 328744 as per your post and registration picture Paul, strange that it doesn't show the decoration. Cottle calls it a vase,  in 2016 it looks more like a sugar imho. The smaller of the two 13501/2  doesn't appear to have the 'ears' on the handles that 1350 does. There are  many pictures on the Glass Queries Sowerby and registered designs picture databases in numerous forms, colourways and glass types, including a creamer to match the 'vase'..
Glass Queries Rd pics: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=763&page=53 http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=763&page=54
Best
Nick

[Paul S.]

hello Nick.              I've already commented above that the picture of the 'half' pattern - shown on the factory pattern sheet in your link from the 20th Century Glass site, looks simply to be a smaller version of 1350, although there's always a chance that some small feature that you mention, i.e. the ears on the handle may have been slightly modified.         Unless we have both sizes on the Board to look at then we may not know for sure - although I notice there aren't any 'ears' showing on the original factory drawing.
Simon Cottle was correct in using the word 'vase' since that is the description shown on the original drawing - which you can see on the copy I've included above - and as we've seen previously on the majority of occasions with Sowerby Registrations, it's more often than not the shape only that was being protected.                Quite possibly this allowed the factory to produce identical shapes in various sizes with different types of decoration, rather than tying them to one particular decorative style had this been shown on the original Registered example.
I'd agree with you though - this one does have the looks of a sugar bowl.

Sorry to be thick, but I'm not sure which of the items on the page from the Board's Registration items that you're referring to as 'a creamer to match the vase' - possibly me needing Specsavers again               I thought you were going to tell me that I'd posted this Reg. Drawing of 328744 previously  -  which wouldn't have surprised me.

Looking forward to Keith finding his u.v. torch.