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Author Topic: Sowerby aesthetic green candlestick maybe? ID = Sowerby pattern 1351  (Read 1343 times)

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Offline brucebanner

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A few online described as Sowerby and identical in colour to the marked stand shown.

It has no markings.


9 inches in height, 3 1/4 inches across the rim and 4 1/2 inches across the base.

The stand measures 8 inches in diameter and 4 inches in height.

Regards Chris.
Chris Parry

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Re: Sowerby aesthetic green candlestick maybe?
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2016, 07:24:08 PM »
Thank you for for showing this, Chris. Wow - what a piece, especially in combination with that Sowerby plate and stand !

Despite the lack of marks, I can't imagine that it is anything but Sowerby pattern 1351, shown on page 13 of pattern book XI (1885). The pattern book gives its nominal height as 8½ inches.

In addition, that colour is obviously a dead ringer for Sowerby's 'Aesthetic Green'. So, a rare pattern in an uncommon colour.

The pattern book also indicates that pattern 1351 is from a registered design so it is  pity that it has no marks to  enable a direct correlation with a Sowerby RD.

I don't have any reference photos for pattern 1351, but I do know that the pattern 1352 candlestick shown next to it in the pattern book is from Sowerby RD 329376, registered on 20th Nov 1878 - P11, so that at least gives a ball park date for the pattern 1351's RD number.

There aren't many Sowerby RDs for candlestick around that time, but RD 328919 of 7 November 1878 was the Sowerby design immediately previous to RD 329376 and may well be a strong candidate for design corresponding to Sowerby pattern 1351. If Paul happens across this post, I wonder if he would be so kind as to check his collection of Sowerby design representations to see if RD 328919 and Sowerby pattern 1351 match, please?

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Re: Sowerby aesthetic green candlestick maybe? ID = Sowerby pattern 1351
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2016, 11:18:19 PM »
here's the same one I parted with recently, in QPIW - in all honesty I thought I'd shown it some years back but perhaps not  -  has anyone checked the Board's archive?     It certainly is Sowerby pattern 1351 - they did one or two patterns for candlesticks around that time.
I'll do the Kew picture in the morning, but am sure this one is Reg. 328919 from 7th November 1878, so Fred's guess is spot on  -  from memory mine wasn't marked either.                     Suspect that if I'd had a pair I'd not have parted with them.

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Re: Sowerby aesthetic green candlestick maybe? ID = Sowerby pattern 1351
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2016, 12:49:49 PM »
I've looked through National Archive Representations books BT 42/62 and 63, which run from October 1870 to beginning of 1884 (the end of the lozenge period), and so far found nine Registrations for sticks from Sowerby.                  If you look at the page of sticks shown in factory pattern book XI (1885) - which is reproduced in Simon Cottle's booklet 'Sowerby Gateshead Glass' (produced for Tyne & Wear Museums (1986) - there are certainly more designs than I seem to be aware of from the Kew archives.             
Not being too clever in the world of pressed glass I'm unsure whether this means that those I'm missing were Registered post 1884, or that simply Sowerby chose not to Register some of their candlesticks with the Board of Trade.................   do we have any idea as to the likelihood or otherwise of Sowerby patterns that we know for certain were never Registered??
Answers on a postcard please to ...................    Fred ;)

Just my usual reminder, and know I'm always bleating on about the fact that I can obtain images of designs Registered after 1884 - but I do only hold pix of items from the lozenge years for immediate access  -  anything after that date means a visit to Kew.

Of course, if after having looked at the nine I'm about to show, people are aware of other Registered designs, for sticks, that I've missed - and you do have the Rd. Nos. -  then please shout, and I'll do best to investigate and locate them.

Watermarking and resizing (twice) is a tedious and time consuming job, so have split these nine into two groups..............   five now, and the remainder later today.                  One of this first batch will run over to a separate post.
Quality of images varies from not too good to abysmal - these purple pencilled drawing are a nightmare to process, so apologies for lack of clarity but hope folk can see sufficient detail to know what the item is supposed to be. :)

P.S.   just a reminder that if you're using Ray Slack's book, the first item - Rd. 307957 - is shown in the book incorrectly as 308957......   not a criticism of his work since we all make mistakes, but just in case folk think they can't find this one. 

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Re: Sowerby aesthetic green candlestick maybe? ID = Sowerby pattern 1351
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2016, 12:51:28 PM »
and the last of the first batch - Rd. 329376.

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Re: Sowerby aesthetic green candlestick maybe? ID = Sowerby pattern 1351
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2016, 04:30:40 PM »
Than you, Paul.

So, to summarise the candlestick correlations definitively revealed so far:

RD 307957 of 26 February 1877 - Parcel 8 = Sowerby pattern 1196 candlestick, shown on page 12 of pattern book XI (1885)

RD 317233 of 17 December 1877 - Parcel 12 = Sowerby pattern 1282 candlestick, shown on page 12 of pattern book XI (1885)

RD 318790 of 20 February 1878 - Parcel 3 = Sowerby pattern 1305 candlestick,  shown on page 12 of patter book XI (1885)

RD 328919 of 7 November 1878 - Parcel 17 = Sowerby pattern 1351, shown on page 13 of pattern book XI (1885) 

RD 329376 of 20 November 1878 - Parcel 11 = Sowerby pattern 1352, shown on page 13 of pattern book XI (1885)

I attach pattern book images of candlestick patterns 1196, 1282, 1305 and 1352 for permanent reference on the GMB, and I will add the images to the Sowerby pattern database and the GMB RD databases on Glass Queries Gallery in due course.

Fred.

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Re: Sowerby aesthetic green candlestick maybe? ID = Sowerby pattern 1351
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2016, 06:42:44 PM »
here are the other four Sowerby sticks that I found whilst trawling the diamond Registrations  -  first two pix are for Rd. 330351 (A & B)  -  then 339200, 355154 and 362741............   and again one picture will flip over to the following post. :)

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Re: Sowerby aesthetic green candlestick maybe? ID = Sowerby pattern 1351
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2016, 06:43:26 PM »
and the very last one - Rd. 362741.

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Re: Sowerby aesthetic green candlestick maybe? ID = Sowerby pattern 1351
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2016, 10:10:28 PM »
Thanks again, Paul.

RD 330351 of 13 December 1878 - Parcel 16  - can't find a match in the Sowerby pattern books at the moment.

RD 339200 of 4 September 1879 - Parcel 7 = Sowerby pattern 1432 candlestick, shown on page 8 of pattern book IX (1882) and page 13 of pattern book XI (1885).

RD 355154 of 14 September 1880 - Parcel 1 = Sowerby pattern 1535 chamber candlestick, shown on page 13 of pattern book XI (1885).

RD 362741 of 11 March 1881 - Parcel 2 = Sowerby pattern 1571 candlestick, shown on page 11 of pattern book IX (1882) and page 13 of pattern book XI (1885).

Fred.

 

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