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Etling catalogue - is it out there?
Anne Tique:
They used a very dark olive green, if that's what you mean, and I expected the Verlys bowl to be brought up, but the coupe Noemie has 14 panels/sides and the Verlys has 16. The Noemie coupe was already in production in 1913, as well as some other models, absorbed in the Luxval catalogue 20 years later. The catalogue was set up due to the crisis and to provide more affordable articles. D'Avesn started at Verlys in 1937 but the Luxval range was already up and running at that time. But anyway, one never knows everything ...
... and we're way off the original topic here with 'who did what' ... guilty here too :-[ ... maybe a separate thread should be opened for this discussion, because I'm really curious what Marcus can say further about the relation d'Avesn-Vsl.
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Mosquito:
I think splitting off the stuff about d'Avesn into a new thread would be a wise choice as we're clearly getting away from the Etling catalogues...
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Regarding his dates at Verlys, it seems the literature all agrees on him starting in 1937. However, I have long suspected that he had some involvement with the firm before that. At the very least there was some exchange of ideas -- whether officially or as a result of copying -- by 1934 as several models in the Verlys catalogue that year are very close in form to pieces issued under the P. d'Avesn name (e.g. Verlys vases 1289, 1830, 1859 & 1816). Either way, it would have been well after 1913.
Back to VSL Luxval, I guess this piece below would be olive green then? I think I saw a 'Marcelle' vase in silvery gray once though but sadly didn't get a photo :(
Anne Tique:
Yes, that's the colour. VSL already had a catalogue for pressed glass in 1897 of 66 pages, making it 100 pages in 1913, but I don't know if the Noemie was already in it, as I haven't got that one and the 1913 edition doesn't list the additions. If it was, it was registered as coupe 'Cotes Plates', like in the 1913 catalogue, absorbed in the Luxval range as Noemie in 1933-1935.
Mosquito:
Getting back to Etling and the patterns being issued under different names, the current online Sabino catalogue shows a figure 'ST205 The Lady and the Lamb' http://sabinoartglass.com/proddetail.asp?pid=48 . This appears to be the same as an Etling figure as shown in Decelle's Opalescence as fig. 55B, described as 'Femme nue portant une brebis'.
Likewise the vase V148 'Vase Art Nouveau' http://sabinoartglass.com/proddetail.asp?pid=134 is also seen with moulded Etling marks.
There's also this grape patterned bowl oddity which matches an Etling bowl but lacks marks and comes in atypical colours for Etling. I've seen about half a dozen examples now, all found in the UK and either in blue or pink. Two had English metal rims.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19361.0.html
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,40940.0.html
Anne Tique:
Please see the comments in blue at the start of this thread.
Any reactions to previous posts, except for those on this original subject of the Etling catalogue, can continue in the new thread:
Re-use of moulds and other copies.
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