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Offline antonizz

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What kind of glass is this? Orange with white spots in it..
« on: February 10, 2017, 12:22:39 AM »
Hey everybody!

Does anyone know what this glass is called?
It's got different colors in it, mainly white spots.

This oil lamp is in 3 pieces, with a nice 'flower-top'.

I'd also like to know how old it is, and where it's made.
All information is welcome! :)


Thank you very much!
R. Antonis

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Re: What kind of glass is this? Orange with white spots in it..
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2017, 09:14:36 AM »
hi  -  sorry, can't help you with most of your questions, but have a feeling that in the English language we would call glass of this appearance 'spatter glass'  -  pronounced as in matter, hatter, natter etc. 
Your glass looks to have possibly been given an acid finish which has dulled the surface to a matter appearance.

I've no idea as to the real age of your item  -  whether it's older or less old than it's trying to suggest, but can say that much spatter glass was produced between c. 1918 and c. 1940 in Czechoslvakia/Bohemia  -  some marked with a an acid backstamp, and much that wasn't.

in terms of shape and overall design your glass is typical of pieces from Czechoslovakia from the art deco period - c. 1930  ish, although whether it is period I'm unable to say from looking at the screen only.        You'd need to assess wear and other features I think.

You might tell us where you bought the pieces - and how the seller described the glass. :)

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Re: What kind of glass is this? Orange with white spots in it..
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2017, 09:38:46 AM »
Adding to Paul's post, it also looks to be slightly iridescent.

It does help if you take photographs in daylight, against a white background and in good light, no flash.  That way the glass can be seen properly.

I would start looking through the Reich catalogues - I will try and remember where the link is and link it for you.


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Re: What kind of glass is this? Orange with white spots in it..
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2017, 10:09:14 AM »
I was just wondering what it was called.
I haven't bought it yet, and I won't unless you're saying it's a very special piece.

The reason for asking:
The seller told me it was opaline glass, and I wasn't sure.
Now I believe these 3-piece flower shaped oil lamps are kind of expensive,
at least the ones from 19th century are.

I have one almost exactly the same.
Just different glass. And probably different age & origin.

I wanted to buy it because it looked like this one:
(see pictures)

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Re: What kind of glass is this? Orange with white spots in it..
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2017, 11:15:42 AM »
They might look expensive to buy but have you looked at whether they actually sell or not?

I think your blue one might be opaline glass (if it is not cased in clear - if it is then it's not opaline glass).

I think you need to research more online before buying :)

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Re: What kind of glass is this? Orange with white spots in it..
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2017, 11:54:11 AM »
You are very right, BUT...    I don't really know where to go except from here.


These are the only 2 I could find, and indeed they didn't sell.
I have literally spent more than 9 hours googling and all I found was this,

I don't really know what to search on.
*Oil lamps flower top
*Bohemian/European oil lamp/ petroleum lamp
*Opaline / Opalescent
*Banquet lamp oil lamp
*Bristol glass oil lamp
*Glass enameled oil lamp

I really tried 100 different searches.
That's the thing when you don't know what it's called,
or where it's from, or what glass or period it is...
then it's really hard to find it on your own.

But... when I find out. I won't forget it very soon haha ;)

1)  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-European-Oil-Lamps-Pair-/332102364194?autorefresh=true

2)  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Blue-Bristol-Glass-Tall-Banquet-Parlor-Oil-Lamp-/271309818764?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=CapgZKUWWQdbmIZsTsHzYoHZRV0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc


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Re: What kind of glass is this? Orange with white spots in it..
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2017, 01:55:41 PM »
well it might be worth just looking at glass online and finding out what type of glass you really like before buying.
Also, it's a good thing to find out how glass is made (pressed, blown,mold blown etc) and decide what kind of glass you like before spending lots of money buying.
I bought many pieces of glass for about 4 years but they were very cheap items bought from fairs and car boot sales.  That way I could examine them, look at the glass, find out how they were made and then, by looking at all the posts on here, work out the kind of glass I like.

The best advice I was given is always to only buy something you like and can live with in your house  :)
The second best advice is not to buy damaged glass (but I ignore that if I like the piece and it is very rare )

Take your time.  If you love glass, buy some books or look at museum collections online.
I found books from named makers to be the the ones I like best (example - From Neuwelt to the Whole World is a book about Harrach glass and it's history).  However, there are some very good general books on how glass developed and which countries which types of glass over the years.
Dan Klein  and Ward Lloyd - The History of Glass is a good book for that.
Another way to look at glass is to go on the Corning Museum Website.  There are many articles on there on the development of glass by some amazing experts in their fields.
And they have an awe-inspiring collection of glass from around the world.

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Re: What kind of glass is this? Orange with white spots in it..
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2017, 02:17:01 PM »
if you have been told that the glass in your first pix are 'opaline' then you have been mis-informed  -  those pieces really are spatter glass and not opaline.
Spatter glass was produced as cheerful mostly everyday glass and date wise it appears at much the same time as much tango glass which was often in very bright oranges, red and lemon colours - cheap but attractive glass.

We've spilled gallons of ink here, on the GMB, discussing opaline glass, and reading those posts will help you to understand more accurately why opaline is called opaline and has nothing to do with less expensive spatter glass  .........  much of the information on opaline was written by m - the lady who has joined me in replying to your question here. :)
Opaline won't be cased, and is produced in single colours with a semi-opaque appearance and has the looks of a milky substance and as such has earned the vernacular name of 'milk and water' glass. 
I think the French were responsible for inventing opaline glass, some time early in the nineteenth century, and factories such as Baccarat made some of the very best  -  my opinion is that the blue glass you have shown is not opaline.

In your final ebay link to the lamp, it's difficult to relate this item - described as 'Antique Blue Bristol Glass' - to what glass collectors understand as 'Bristol Blue' - which was a deep rich cobalt blue  ............   assuming this is what is being implied.
The colour of that lamp might be nearer to turquoise.

Perhaps you should be spending some of your money on books  -  these will teach you about different kinds of glass - different colours, and at the same time be enjoyable.

P.S.  I would agree with what m has suggested regarding how to get an education in glass ;D  -  all very sound advice - but at the same time accept the fact that you will make mistakes.........   remember.....  people who don't make mistakes don't usually make anything - and you can at least learn from making mistakes.;)

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Re: What kind of glass is this? Orange with white spots in it..
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2017, 10:05:30 PM »
Agreeing with the advice given by M and Paul, get yourself a bit more familiar with the material in all it's forms and styles before you  make any decisions that you might, perhaps, regret later on ... to avoid disappointments ... but then, if you have never made any mistakes, you've never tried anything new in your life, and we have all been there. Having said that, if you absolutely love a certain brand, style or period, you'll never regret buying the piece that you managed to find.

Personally I have learned a lot, and  still do learn, from going to antiques fairs and shops/exhibitions/auctions/flee markets etc etc ... there's nothing like having opportunities to handle and examine pieces up close, even if you don't want to buy anything. Some specialized dealers or sellers kindly let you have a look, at your own risk I have to add (no experience  ;D), and they are always happy to share their knowledge.

Do remember that you can never know everything and there's always somebody,  who knows something that you don't but that goes for everything in life, not just glass.

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Re: What kind of glass is this? Orange with white spots in it..
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2017, 06:20:46 PM »
Thank you all for your help!!  :D

I will definetaly try to learn more about it. Wish I could just give my knowledge an update by USB or something  ;D
I'll try to read more, and visit antiquairs etc.

By the way, I visited an antiquair with the blue oil lamp (flower top) today.
The one who I found on ebay. (19th century, €500,00)

He told me, and I don't know if he's right, bacause he has been wrong before.  (own experience).
He said it was from the 1960's, approximately $80,00.
I really hope he's wrong by the way  :P

Back to the glass, I'm kind of attracted to satin glass, opaline glass, frosted glass, milk glass etc.
And I understand it's hard to tell the difference when you don't know any history about it, or even
seen some of it in real life. Long way to go... But that's fine.

Thank you all again, and have a nice weekend! ;D ;D

R.Antonis

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