Topic: Crystal Glass Lidded Box - Red cut to Clear

[antonizz]

Hello everybody,

I've bought this crystal glass box online.
It looks like Bohemian glass (for me as an beginner).

Can somebody trace this back to origin and date?

Too bad there are a couple of chips off of the edge,
but when the lid is on you won't notice it anymore.

I believe this is crystal. Red cut to Clear.
-Figures showing a pelican. Also a deer, I believe, and something else.

By the way, is this ruby red? of raspberry red?
Or something else.


If anybody knows more about it I of course would love to know!

Thank you very much in advance!

Kind regards,
R.Antonis

[antonizz]

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[Paul S.]

Depending on the thickness of the red colour, this will be either staining or flashing.          Staining, which is the thinner of the two was by means of metal oxides - either painted on or the item could be dipped into the colour, then fired to fix the colour........  Egermann was the big cheese who I think invented this process somewhere c. 1830s, but it continued to be produced for much of the C19.     
Flashing is the less expensive of the two methods and does involve a thin layer of coloured glass onto the clear base glass............   Hoffman was a big producer for flashed wares, and both these were Bohemian producers, and I could be wrong but most stained and flashed glass seems to be ruby red, but I think you can find it in yellow.
Designs on both stained and flashed glass were created by cutting or probably more usually copper wheel engraving, through the red, to expose the clear glass beneath.            I suppose both processes could be called casing but they are usually referred to as above, and were big in fashion in the second half of the C19 - but like most stuff it probably went on for some time after.

Try googling these names and you should get enough to read till bedtime

[KevinH]

I thought I had added a reply here ... but it has not appeared.

In addition to Paul's comments, I would suggest looking at modern "Bohemia Crystal" versions of "Egermann style" items. To me, the colour of this item seems more cranberry than ruby and that makes me think "modern" rather than "older". Also I think the cut motifs are more generalized than on the older pieces - has anybody seen palm trees and a stork / heron on older items?

[Paul S.]

yes, suppose I should have warned of modern copies, assuming there have been repros.             I thought I had seen that crown-like shape enclosing cross-hatching and small oval cuts on some of the C19 pieces.            I no longer have my copy of the Truit's book so can't check, but I seem to recall there were acres of examples (in black & white) in that book, and thought I remembered that particular piece of decoration. 

[antonizz]

Paul S.,

Thank you very much for the information, and explaining the difference between staining and flashing.

Only thing I came up with to google was:
-Crystal lidded box
-Bohemian glass box
-Ruby red boxes
etc.

I indeed had a (near) match with Egermann.
Too bad it's not really an old piece, and kind of low value.

Still I want to thank you, and of course KevinH
for your help.

On to the next one 


Have a nice evening!
R. Antonis

[Anne]

Compare it with my labelled Egermann tankard shown here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,42940.msg239882.html#msg239882

[Fuhrman Glass]

When I was in Rattenberg Austria about 30+ years ago, there were several small shops doing cutting very similar to this using blanks they purchased from all sorts of other factories. They were mostly family run operations but did some very nice work. Rattenberg has a long tradition in glass.