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Author Topic: 'Unusual' pink opalescent girasol antique creamer, facet cut, cased- show& tell  (Read 4504 times)

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This small pink opalescent dichroid creamer arrived a few days ago.  It is a very interesting piece. 
I suspect it dates to around 1840 ish. Possibly.  And is possibly Bohemian.

It’s biggest attraction is that it is dichroic or girasol glass i.e.in reflected light it is pink opalescent glass but in transmitted light it is bright orange and nearly transparent (So for example in the second photo down, you can actually see even  the facet cut ribs of the opposite side of the creamer through the glass)

It is cased in clear.  The opalescent layer interior goes right to the rim of the jug with no clear rim showing.   (There is sometimes a clear rim showing on Bohemian Biedermeier bechers that have a rosalin or rosaglas interior cased in clear, for example).

The rim is firepolished not cut. 

The foot has a very shallow, very large polished pontil mark covering the entire foot – almost as though the foot was ground flat, but it isn’t as can be seen by the extreme ring of wear around the rim of the foot.

It is not heavy for size and glows slightly yellowy under blacklight (the clear handle).


It is impeccably made in every respect:

- The opalescence has some white vertical streaks in it exactly to the left of each of the facets, but it is not faceted on the inside, it is completely smooth and round.  These are not reflections from the facet cuts.

- The facet cutting on the exterior is absolutely immaculate and perfectly done.  Down to the fact that the handle is finished at the base in a facet cut triangle that joins the  vertical facet of the body, and to the touch appears as though the handle rises out of the body rather than being applied to it. 

- Where the handle is applied to the top , the rim of the jug is pulled up slightly and there is a tiny circle indent where a tool has been used to apply the circle,as though to ensure the glass body and the handle adhere.

- The entire body is facet cut in vertical facets ending in petals at the top at the rim and at the bottom of the flared foot.

- And then it has a horizontal band of facet cuts glass around the collar.
 The horizontal facet cut band goes all the way around the body but then stops under the handle and the horizontal band is left smooth and curved instead at that part.

- The foot is part of the whole piece not applied.


I have attached lots of pictures to show some effects of the glass:

1)   The first two are one showing it pink in  reflected light against a black background and then the next showing it orange in transmitted light against a white background. 
This is so a comparison can be made with photos taken in the same way, of a very old piece of Bohemian opalescent dichroid glass in the British Museum.  That piece dates to around 1680 and is in the Rothschild collection. I have attached a link to the photos taken of that piece:

http://wb.britishmuseum.org/MCN138#1489945001

A lot of recent research has been carried out on that lidded beaker and one of the comments in the link is
'...The beaker is moulded with sea gods at play. Traces of arsenic in the glass make it appear to change colour like a precious opal.'

2)   The third photo shows the pink jug on a white background in daylight so it can be compared to the colour of a tall cut gorge de pigeon flacon in the link.  That piece is sold as French but I have seen that design (tall in metal holder) produced in Hyalith glass and said to be from Buquoy.  So I am not entirely sure of that ‘ gorge de pigeon’ piece:
http://www.poussecornet.auction.fr/_fr/lot/flacon-a-eau-de-melisse-en-opaline-de-cristal-gorge-de-pigeon-taillee-a-motif-de-7739162#.WM0gClWLTIU
http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/auctionmediaphotos/c/e/1/1426679246993081.jpeg


3)   The fourth shows a photo of the jug taken in daylight but with some artificial lighting landing on it – this is what is looks like mostly on the shelf.  It looks pink but with an orange tinge.  That can be compared to a cut gorge de pigeon perfume flask that I have linked to:
http://www.anticstore.com/DocBD/commerce/antiquaire/galerie-ouaiss-antiquites-674/objet/59505/AnticStore-Large-Ref-59505_02.jpg


Basically it is very similar and has a very similar effect under lighting, to Gorge de Pigeon glass and certainly some of the ‘more pink’ Gorge de Pigeon pieces shown in Baguiers et Verres a Boire (Leon Darnis). 

It is different to some other Gorge de Pigeon pieces I have seen though, which can sometimes have a more violet tinge to them.  Links provided to show the comparisons if I can find some good online examples.

It would not be classed as Gorge de Pigeon glass though.  That is French and is not cased in clear.  It is coloured in the mass and is usually classed as an opaline glass.  The little facet cut perfume bottle is a very good example of this as a comparison because it is facet cut but not cased in clear and the effect can be seen well in the link.


 However this jug is, I think,  basically an internal layer of gorge de pigeon pink but then cased in clear.

Some information:  From the book quoted above, it appears to me that Gorge de Pigeon glass dates from c1820 to 1830.  It appears to have been made by Bercy and also Montcenis.  Some is just blown but other pieces are cut as well.

I am not sure where my creamer originates.  It looks Bohemian and glows yellowish under blacklight which my 19th century Bohemian glass also does.  However the rim is not cut but is firepolished ( this is a bit unusual for Bohemian glass) and the base is not polished flat but has a very large polished pontil mark (this is unusual for Bohemian glass but is seen on French glass).

I’ve added some more pictures in the next post to show the various aspects of the jug.
Hope you like it.  m

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the last picture on my first post is a  very similar effect to this:
http://collections.lesartsdecoratifs.fr/vase-151

This and other pieces in the Gorge de Pigeon colour in the Musee are described as Opaline lead glass.

They have two tall flacons described as French - so a correction to my query above:
http://collections.lesartsdecoratifs.fr/flacon-121

I don't think my creamer is lead glass.  Another reason why I think it might be Bohemian.

This is a pink version of 'Gorge de Pigeon' and described as that:
http://collections.lesartsdecoratifs.fr/coupe-44

This is the more purple effect version as I was trying to describe above(also described as Gorge de Pigeon):
http://collections.lesartsdecoratifs.fr/vase-166

This link shows some of the colour variations in their collection:
http://collections.lesartsdecoratifs.fr/skinwebsearch?f[0]=f_sujetrepresente:/gorge%20de%20pigeon%20(couleur)

And a correction on the dates of Gorge de Pigeon:
They have a set dated 1814-1830
http://collections.lesartsdecoratifs.fr/tete-a-tete



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My link on the collection of Gorge de Pigeon for the various effects didn't work sorry.
But on the left in the description of this linked piece, there is an underlined 'Gorge de Pigeon'
If you click on that then the a part of the collection should show which demonstrates the variations in colour:

http://collections.lesartsdecoratifs.fr/coupe-36

I'm not sure what went wrong.

Here are two good comparisons of colour to quite  pink versions:
http://www.antiquites-catalogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/opaline-gorge-pigeon.jpg

http://www.cotebasqueencheres.com/images/ventes/79/83.jpg

I've attached a picture of the facet cutting either side of the handle.

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This is another example of a Bohemian faceted jug dating c.1846 that has the design cut around the jug but which then stops under the handle
https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/26831524_knnchen-um-1846-marie-1846-unterland-he

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Someone has uploaded a scent bottle in what looks to be a cased in clear greyish green faceted glass.
They call it semi-opaque and question Buquoy:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/18/84/44/1884441deab93afb373f2127f8fdbe52.jpg

It has similarities in the cased way it was made and the effect although greyish-green as opposed to pink.

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Here is another piece, a goblet  also id'd as Buquoy and with a clear or transparent casing over an translucent opaline interior

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/3e/c7/44/3ec744724dcbaf2c8426e5408ad663ec.jpg

And on page 14 of this document from Walter Spiegl,there is another on the right hand side, that appears to have an opaline inner and to be case
http://www.glas-forschung.info/pageone/pdf/lith.pdf


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Searching in Czech I've now found 4 pieces that are opaline interior (opalescent in at least one case in a similar way that my jug is,  but it appears to be a darker pink than my creamer) and then cased in transparent glass.

I'm not sure I really realised that some of the Buquoy Agatin-opal glas was cased in transparent glass.  I knew that Lithyalin technique was done on transparent glass as well as Hyalith glass.  And thinking on that, neither of my two pieces of Hyalith glass (one being Lithyalin decorated) are particularly heavy.
 
I've never seen a piece of Buquoy Agatin glass in the real life and just assumed they were all somehow marbled coloured in the mass and thick and heavy, because of their thick cut design I guess.
But I guess they aren't lead glass and possibly not as heavy as I had perceived from pictures perhaps?

And having done a lot of searching I can see that some pieces are cased in transparent glass (one definitely in clear, a couple in coloured transparent glass as far as I can tell).  Perhaps they might not be classed as 'Agatin glas' as they appear to be cased rather than coloured in the mass.

Here are some links (took me ages to find the original source of the pinterest pictures  >:( )
This first one is five layers of glass apparently though, so I guess it must be fairly weighty? But the link is good because you can enlarge it and see the transparent (opalescent?) outer layer

https://www.the-saleroom.com/de-de/auction-catalogues/dr-fischer/catalogue-id-fischer10014/lot-a399d3b3-96c9-46ec-b1a2-a5b600eef43e

This next one is turquoise and has an opaline interior not opalescent, and is cased in transparent turquoise glass
https://www.the-saleroom.com/de-de/auction-catalogues/dr-fischer/catalogue-id-fischer10014/lot-f7bfa51d-5bf7-4643-9351-a5b600eef53b

This last is a link to a picture of a perfume flakon which looks to have an opalescence to the glass and appears to be cased in transparent glass? - I've not been able to track to the original link so it's just a picture link:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/cd/db/2c/cddb2cf2a7188ab4c5f81d6ffa1498d8.jpg

Of course it might not be Buquoy glass at all.  But thinking about the way it is made that was the only option I could come up with as a possible for now.


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I'm trying not to get too attached to my initial thoughts, however this is a version of an agatinglas piece in the Corning.

Rather annoyingly it is not clickable to enlarge. 

However the description of the piece and what it looks like in terms of how made, fits my creamer.

The exception to that is my creamer could not be described as 'very heavy', which this goblet is.  I do have a piece of early Bohemian glass that is very small but extraordinarily heavy so I guess they mean heavy for size by that description.

https://www.cmog.org/artwork/agatine-beaker?image=0

https://d3seu6qyu1a8jw.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/styles/6_column_object/public/collections/0F/0FA92A4D-40CB-4461-93DE-990FA35ED5ED.jpg?itok=OTTsNlbx

The description reads as follows:
'PRIMARY DESCRIPTION
Transparent-translucent pale purple very heavy glass;
free- blown, gilded and enameled, and cut.

Composite foot consisting of a base disc with polished concave underside,
surmounted by a collar with sloping walls and beveled collar,
deep cup-shaped bowl;
the rough form of the object is probably molded and then very heavily cut and ground to form this complicated shape,
both collars are paneled (8 panels),
the bowl is also cut into 8 panels,
each panel having a central countersunk vertically oriented oval, in high relief, surmounted by arches, again in relief;
the two collars are accentuated on top by a gilded band of framed stars and single gilded lines,
the relief ovals are framed by gilded lines and surmounted by gilded leaves;
the rim of the bowl is gilded;
the space between the arches in relief and rim is occupied by a flower and leaf frieze in pale red, blue and green including especially red forget-me-nots and other flowers;
in reflected light the beaker appears purple and pink, with the base rim and the edges of the collar and the ovals appearing bluish opalescent.'



What is interesting is, that it is difficult on examining the creamer, to work out which part of the body is cased - the body looks as though there is no clear glass on it, but then you can see just on the facet cut collar and on the faceted 'skirt', that it is cased.   This is similar in the purple goblet.

Also if you look at the pic of the goblet, the 'skirt' collar around the foot looks as though it was applied separately.  The 'skirt' on my creamer looks the same way.  But the internal side of the creamer goes right down to the bottom and flares out inside where the foot starts so it's an integral  foot, presumably very thickly cased in that part of the jug perhaps or cased again after the body has been shaped, and then cut, and that is exactly as it looks on the goblet. 

They describe the disc on the base of the foot as 'composite'.  So it has been applied on the base. 
The description of the finish on the base matches my creamer. 

Basically it has been made in the same way as my jug.

I think I am now beginning to realise that photos of these agatin-opal glas goblets do not represent what they look like with light transmitted. I suspect they look very plain coloured as described by the Corning 'Transparent-translucent pale purple very heavy glass' and like the 'beigey' coloured one I've linked to until the light is reflected off them whence they become multicoloured.  Whereas with mine, with light reflected it looks plain pink but with light transmitted it turns orange.

I think the creamer was made by  Buquoy'sche Glashutte and I would guess might date a little earlier than I thought, so perhaps 1835-1840 ish.


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And I am wondering if the Transparent glass casing on the Corning vase might have been a neodymium glass? Perhaps that's how they made the Agatin-opal glas pieces in purple?  and perhaps they reflect as blues and purples in reflected light because it has been cased in neodymium transparent glass over opalescent girasol glass? 

It's different to mine which pink and I'm thinking gold-ruby glass plays a part in mine along with something else (arsenic? as mentioned by the British Museum description) making it turn orange in transmitted light.
Or.. it is faintly possible that mine is girasol glass cased in maybe a gold-ruby pink glass - I know that sounds ridiculous but the interior is so reflective it is completely impossible to tell and I assumed it was cased in clear.  But then I don't know how it appear pink but then would turn orange in transmitted light. Perhaps the girasol glass interior with the gold ruby over makes it turn orange.  Very curious.

Oh and mine is all faceted in 8 panels as mentioned about the goblet in the Corning.

I am pretty confident on the maker.  I cannot see that there can be another maker.

I can see I am talking to myself again  ;D 
Is nobody else on here interested in early 19th century Bohemian glass?

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