Topic: Iridescent monogrammed clover shaped glasses

[SNJ]

Not sure what to make of these two glasses. Look to be good quality glass with a subtle iridescence, interesting four leaf clover lobed gilded rim and monogram. Probably absolute tat but I'm willing to be corrected!

[Anne]

Gosh! I've never seen glasses that shape before, how unusual. The monogram looks to be three letters... I copied the closeup and traced the letter shapes in different colours to see what it is, in the hope it might help...  not that I am any the wiser myself now, but it might help! The letters are a central L with D to the left and R to the right.

[SNJ]

Yes Anne, I was drawn to the shape and the delicacy: it's very thin glass. The monogram adds to the interest and has an almost regal look. I could imagine a set like this on the table of an exceedingly posh place!

[flying free]

I see a lot of quatrefoil glasses in iridescent glass attributed to Lobmeyr.  I've no idea if they are or not though.
I have one small vase enamelled, iridescent clear like these, bought for research interest - and have so far never been able to find a definitive maker, despite there being various shapes online with the same enamel decoration and in the same clear iridescent glass:
example being this sale -
https://www.luxfordvintage.com/listing/522857818/c1885-small-antique-austrian-lobmeyr

Then there is often the Moser suggestion as well - example here:
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/2-VINTAGE-MOSER-OR-LOBMEYR-QUATREFOIL-LOBED-CRYSTAL-petite-sherbert-/132085363183?hash=item1ec0e6b1ef
and another here:
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/1-VINTAGE-MOSER-OR-LOBMEYR-QUATREFOIL-LOBED-CRYSTAL-4-1-2-SHERBET-CHAMPAGNE-/311860906675?hash=item489c5bcab3

However, if I read this post on CW correctly it may seem that Moser did not make these?
Part of their reply on that link reads: 'I would like to inform you that the glass on the pictures was not made in Moser glassworks. Moser never used this type of pattern.
We are not sure where this glass was made because this type of glass produced a lot of glassworks during one period. It could be product of any glassworks in Europe.'

https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/150157-quatrefoil-goblet-with-the-coat-of-arms



On this carnival glass site there is some information taken from an 1878 journal 'Glass and Glassware' re Lobmeyr and the development of iridescent glass:
http://www.carnivalglassworldwide.com/lobmeyr.html
N.B. There was a Hungarian maker of iridescent glass who I thought was also an early developer of iridescent glass.  I will try and find a link, though not suggesting yours are from Hungary, just for interest. (Mark Hill wrote some information about this on his site as well).


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[Anne]

"quatrefoil" thanks M, that's the word I was hunting for earlier and couldn't bring to mind.

[chopin-liszt]

I wondered if they might have been made for a wedding, given the slightly different shapes, perhaps one was for the bride and the other the groom.
They are certainly very pretty and delicate.
The monogram maybe even supports this notion a bit, one could imagine the central L standing for love, and the others, the initials of the couple. (or it could be the new surname.)

[flying free]

I think of those options it is most likely to be the new surname with the initials of the newly weds either side, or part of a monogrammed set.
Also noticed the initials are enamelled in yellow presumably before being gilded and that originally there was, now worn off, gilding over them.  That yellow under enamel is often seen on Bohemian glass. 
It might be worth contacting Lobmeyr in Vienna to see if they might reply. 
Presumably these were made in sets to be 'ready-gilded' with initials or monograms perhaps.

m

[glassobsessed]

Just for interest, another 'lobed' glass but late 19C Italian, apparently the form derived from a type of Bohemian Baroque glassware: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,61000.0.html

John

[Tigerchips]

I wonder if they may be French?.... http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/210160?rpp=20&pg=28&ao=on&ft=wine&pos=547#

[Anne]

Oooh TC, well found! Now if SNJ could check the size to compare that would be useful.