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Offline Jeffingtons

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Victorian drinking glass #2
« on: September 25, 2017, 03:57:14 PM »
Here's the second of today's charity shop finds. Again I'm thinking early Victorian? It's hollow stemmed and bigger bowled than the other glass. Would also like to know what this was likely to be used for? Wine, sherry, port?
It's also had the pontil ground out, but has no inclusions.
Sorry they aren't uploaded. Can't resize pictures on my phone
Thanks
https://flic.kr/p/YR4V3X
https://flic.kr/p/XPT7jT
https://flic.kr/p/YR4Trv
https://flic.kr/p/XLmuG9


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Re: Victorian drinking glass #2
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2017, 06:26:37 PM »
Dimensions helps. Nice air drop stem

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Re: Victorian drinking glass #2
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 08:04:06 PM »
Never thought of dimensions. Height 5 inches, bowl at widest 2 1/4 inches

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Re: Victorian drinking glass #2
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2017, 10:04:53 PM »
hello -  you may well be correct with your suggestion of date - would be interested in hearing your reasons for thinking early Victorian - might this be from seeing similar in books or perhaps some feature of the glass, or maybe someone else's thoughts. :)      I'm always keen to learn from others how to judge the age of drinking glasses  ..............    sorry no one (apart from Christine) has yet offered any thoughts on your item.
Pieces such as this aren't easy to date  -  the depression under the foot is unreliable, so too is the slice cutting, and the inverted baluster stem is seen as far back as c. 1700.             I'd suggest the bowl is a round funnel - possibly a wine or smallish goblet.           
The problem with the Victorians is that they spent a long time copying earlier styles, which makes for difficulties in dating.        If pushed I think my opinion would be that this is later in the C19 than you're suggesting, but glad to be proven wrong  -  let's see if we can entice others to offer their thoughts.  :)

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Re: Victorian drinking glass #2
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2017, 11:43:17 AM »
Date is guesswork based mostly what I've read in books and on't t'internet. I think I should revise my guess to early/mid Victorian since doing more reading, but I don't have enough experience handling early glass. I know one thing for sure. It's the nicest glass I've ever drunk out of. It's exceptionally well balanced, with a lovely tactile feel to the touch. It's my new favourite drinking glass.

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Re: Victorian drinking glass #2
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2017, 12:43:33 PM »
you may be correct yet with your first suggestion, but you learn to be cautious when attributing dates. :)        Unfortunately, the silence from the response is deafening - which is not unusual here, and shows that most other folk are either not interested in this period, or just being cautious, especially with run of the mill C19 drinking glasses.              Having seen acres of these things, I've a feeling that the short answer is that there isn't an easy method of accurate dating for most Victorian pieces in general.
Most books tend not to treat this period seriously, so they terminate roughly with the demise of George IV - c. 1830 (the end of the Regency), but there was one book I've now parted with that was of some use in this area, and oddly it was inexpensive.      John Brooks produced something called 'The Arthur Negus Guide to British Glass', and although it was a general overview only, did cover pieces similar to yours, and with some pix, but as usual it can't be accused of giving a great deal of space to such things.            I think there was another by Tony Curtis 'Glass and Metalware' which gave some pages to Victorian drinking glasses, and again it wasn't expensive.                These books are available on Abe Books.

In the end it's a matter of assessing every feature of the glass - colour, seeds, foot (possibly the most important part of a glass), bowl, stem, ping, cutting/engraving etc., and handling them at fairs/markets - without dropping them ;).
The term early glass should be reserved for C18, in my opinion.

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Re: Victorian drinking glass #2
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2017, 11:55:42 PM »
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Unfortunately, the silence from the response is deafening - which is not unusual here, and shows that most other folk are either not interested in this period, or just being cautious, especially with run of the mill C19 drinking glasses.

Yes, I agree. That's about right.

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The term early glass should be reserved for C18, in my opinion.
Hear hear. :)
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Re: Victorian drinking glass #2
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2019, 10:47:57 AM »
Just a little update on this. Having done much more reading and researching, a possible attribution is Richardson who seem to have made glasses with stems and bowls of this style throughout the mid Victorian period.

This was my favourite glass for drinking wine out of, until my wife had a moment at the kitchen sink and dropped a pestle on it, taking a big bite out of the rim. I still have it on display though as it is a fine thing

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Re: Victorian drinking glass #2
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2019, 10:52:38 AM »
Any chance of a picture now....despite the damage......I am unable to open the links in your original post without signing up to yet another site!
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Re: Victorian drinking glass #2
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2019, 11:18:24 AM »
Here it is now, with its bite. I do still use it occasionally. It's a beautifully balanced glass in the hand

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