white backgrounds don't help when showing clear glass, and regret I can't seem to blow these pix up, so not seeing details too clearly.
I'm assuming Keith's comments re Walsh might have been due to the pale centre to the vine leaves, which was a Walsh trade mark in their engraving of these things, and seen in their 'Fruiting Vine' pattern - I think every piece of theirs I had, with vine leaves, showed this characteristic. Assume the rest of the decoration is cut, but not sure. On page 38 of Reynolds 'The Glass of John Walsh Walsh' their is a b. & w. picture which includes something very similar in shape to Carol's glass, although it's described as pressed glass (it's not in fact a piece of 'Fruiting Vine'), so Walsh certainly made this shape with the almost non-existent stem. Whether Walsh made this shape in cut/engraved glass I've no idea, and certainly haven't the enthusiasm to search the pattern drawings at the back of Reynolds.
Walsh backstamps can be the devil to find, and even having found it the next time you look it seems to have disappeared. According to Reynolds, Walsh glass with backstamps can be dated approximately, and allocated to one of two separate groups, depending on the wording of the backstamp. Apparently the earlier of these was used 1926 - c. 1930 and shows simply the word WALSH ............. the later mark is indicated as having been used c.1930 - 1951, and shows as WALSH over a curved ENGLAND - doubtless though there was an overlap in the period these were used.
Having looked through Tim Mill's 'Rummers', it seems very unusual to have a rummer with such an extreme rudimentary stem, especially coupled with the absence of any vestige of a collar or knop, and I did wonder if this one might have been copying a monteith or bonnet glass, but don't think so - they tended to be a tad shorter .............. so can't really think what else this might be called, other than rummer.
Unfortunately, none of the features that I can see on Carol's piece are singular enough - in usage in the glass trade - to help with specific dating ..... grape and vine decoration and polished pontil depressions have been going for ever and a day, and slice cutting (if that is what this piece has) was used for a very long time too. But of course if this is Walsh then we will know it's probably middle third C20, and even if without a backstamp then a v. g. chance of Walsh in view of the pale leaves.
I can't see if Carol's and Keith's glasses are identical just from these pix, but perhaps Keith's does have a Walsh backstamp, although I'm not sure from Keith words whether he is saying that is so, or not??
So - over to you Keith
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