Topic: Twisted stemmed glass id help

[Kazmichelle]

Hi looking for maker of this glass, I have 6 of them . Powell glass possibly ?

[Paul S.]

I would have thought that was unlikely  -  what makes you suggest W/Fs ?? 

[Kazmichelle]

Hi paul mainly the colour , looks like meadow green .

[Paul S.]

 thanks  -  according to Jackson meadow green was a bright yellowish green  -  and certainly if you look in the books it does appear very different to this one, so I'm still going with 'unlikely'.

[Kazmichelle]

Maybe sea green. Whitefriars sea green dish for comparison.

[Paul S.]

you're not getting off that lightly ........................    sea green ceased in 1959, apparently, and the style of twist on your stems has a more recent appearance  -  am sure I've seen this sort of thickish twist on quite recent pieces - glasses I've seen in charity shops I'm sure.
Do you have either of the W/Fs. books?        I have the smaller one edited by Leslie Jackson, which is rather limited in it's coverage of shapes etc. 
Not that I would pretend to be well up on W/Fs. - in fact I'm well down - but imho it's perhaps unreliable to create an attribution based on colour alone.

No reason why I should have noticed this previously - since my interest in W/Fs fell by the wayside a long way back, but there does appear to be an error in Leslie Jackson's book - in the glossary - which concerns these colours.
Under the heading of 'sea green' in Jackson's glossary (p. 151), the lady comments that this colour was used on lead glass from 1893 until it was replaced in 1959 by 'arctic green'.             Jackson's glossary omits any entry for 'arctic green', which does look to point to the fact this was a typo and what was meant was 'ocean green'  -  for which there is an entry (p. 149)   ..............   "a cool pale green colour introduced in 1959 to replace sea green etc. etc.  .........  remained in production until 1966".

[Paul S.]

hi - seems this short stubby type of twist to the stem goes back a little further than I thought.           In the late 1950s  -  Stennett-Willson/Studio Publications  -   produced a volume called 'The Beauty of Modern Glass', and this gave a good overview of what was then the current fashion for engraved/cut/table glass etc.
This short stubby stem-with-a-twist-look, occurs in a similar style on a couple of drinking/table/desert glass designs, and although I'm sure they're not the same as this design - the stems have an approximately similar appearance.
The particular table glass patterns referred to in the book (Vortex and Whirl) were apparently designed by Stennett-Willson, but made in Sweden for J. Wuidart & Co., Ltd., a British company with which Stennett-Willson was involved at the time  .............   I think it was prior to his setting up of his Wedgwood Glass enterprise.

Not saying yours are from Sweden, but it might be worth spending a little time looking in that direction.

[essi]

I think the Powell idea might come from page 97 plate 4 of the Jackson book.
It shows a similar twisted stem wine glass designed by Phillip Webb circa 1860 colour described as dark green.
Unfortunately I do not think your glass is that early.
Would be fantastic to be proved wrong.
Tim

[Paul S.]

as Karen hasn't replied to confirm whether she has either, both or none of the W/Fs. books, we don't know if that particular piece in Jackson was the origin of Karen's Powell suggestion - I would have thought that reference would have been mentioned if it had been the case, Tim.

Appreciate the Webb glass is approximately the same colour, and both pieces have twisting to the stem, but they are overall very different designs, and some shade of darkish green has been used frequently in the intervening one hundred and fifty years .        I'd hazard a guess that a  very quick look at the underside of this piece would tell us immediately it was modern.

If Karen does have half a dozen of said Phillip Webb drinking glasses, I think retirement might be the order of the day  -  I think it would be a miracle if the Webb connection were substantiated.