Topic: Tall cut glass wine cruet and 12 matching cut glass wine glasses.

[jpw42]

The only ID mark that I am able to find is what looks like a S or a 8 on the stopper. This was my great grandmothers! Any information would be greatly appreciated!
I can't figure out how to get photo attachments under size limits so I will add links to the photos.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nww29P3ON454JFge2
Thanks!
James

[jpw42]

https://imgur.com/a/jUGCX
More photos on a different host.

[Paul S.]

hello James - welcome to the GMB.                   On good quality decanters/bottles from the C20, there is often a 'matching No.'  - applied by diamond point or stylus - which indicates that the body and stopper started life together   ...............  these Nos. are mostly, but not always, in the range of 1 to 10.       If your two parts started life together, then you should find an identical No. somewhere in the vicinity of the neck or lip of the bottle - although they have been known to occur on the underside of the base.
From what I can see of the mouth piece of the body of your piece - plus the presence of a handle - I'd suggest this shape is more generally known as a ewer or perhaps a stoppered carafe - not that it matters - and probably more a reflection of where in the world the piece resides.         In the U.K. there is a tendency to reserve the word cruet for wet condiments.         

Unfortunately, your pix lack the sort of contrast that shows the cut pattern/design  -  ideally a uniform dark background with less glare, will improve what we see.
Generally, people include some indication of height/size of their glass  -  it won't tell us it's origin or maker, but every little helps as they say.


Not knowing whether you're nine or ninety might affect our interpretation of the period that your Grandmother owned this set  -  do you think it more or less likely that she might have acquired the set from within the States, or did the lady travel to Europe do you know?      My only rather humble suggestion is that the notches on the arises are/were definitely a States feature  

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[jpw42]

Thanks for all of the input so far!
Some new photos. I hope that this helps.
Notice the tape measure for size perspective .
Thanks,

Not knowing whether you're nine or ninety might affect our interpretation of the period that your Grandmother owned this set  -  do you think it more or less likely that she might have acquired the set from within the States, or did the lady travel to Europe do you know?      My only rather humble suggestion is that the notches on the arises are/were definitely a States feature  

My grandma inherited it in 1960. The set belonged to my great grand parents. They where married in 1911 if this was perhaps a wedding present. Otherwise they did do a great deal of traveling and very well could have purchased it along the way, or even inherited it themselves.
James

[Paul S.]

thanks - much better pix.            My opinion is that this set isn't of British manufacture, and possibly originated either in the States - with the sort of age you think possible, then it could be something from the American Brilliant Period (ABP)  -  alternatively perhaps central Europe.
Those cuts on the arises could suggest either origin, although the octagonal shaped base to the bottle might lean more towards Bohemian/Czech. 

The problem most commonly with cut glass - which frequently lacks a backstamp/label/name - is the corresponding absence of clues as to origin, and you may struggle to pin this one down.              However, it's early days yet so fingers crossed.

P.S.     having now looked at Jane Spillman's book on the Am. Cut Glass Ind., am inclined to suggest your glasses are possibly from someone like Hoare or T. G. Hawkes, from c. 1910 - 20, and who were very big in the world of cutting (other peoples' blanks usually).           The multiple fine fingered plant like fronds, the multiple notches on the many edges and handle are certainly features both companies employed.         Suggest you speak to some of the experts your side of the pond who have in depth knowledge of these early C20 factories.

[jpw42]

P.S.     having now looked at Jane Spillman's book on the Am. Cut Glass Ind., am inclined to suggest your glasses are possibly from someone like Hoare or T. G. Hawkes, from c. 1910 - 20, and who were very big in the world of cutting (other peoples' blanks usually).           The multiple fine fingered plant like fronds, the multiple notches on the many edges and handle are certainly features both companies employed.         Suggest you speak to some of the experts your side of the pond who have in depth knowledge of these early C20 factories.

Thanks! I am pretty convinced it is J Hoare & Co. I see some patterns that seem the same from J Hoare.

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[Paul S.]

hi - would indeed be a marvellous feat if we had nailed the maker of yours that quickly    -  although you may well be on the right track with J. Hoare, there is such a vast array of similar cut designs that caution is needed and some input from those who really are experts, before we hang the flags out.
Having looked again at the ewer shape of your bottle, and bearing in mind the handle, I'd revise my earlier thoughts and suggest this one is a claret jug - such pieces are almost always provided with a handle - unlike bottles for other drinks, that don't.                  Unfortunately, as with everything in life there are exceptions to the rule, and some round whisky bottles have handles and are called jars - flagons mostly have them, and there are champagne jugs with ice compartments that also have handles.          My opinion is that almost all claret jugs will have a handle.

[jpw42]

Thank you again! I have ordered a few books on the American Brilliant Period, I will definitely report in if I find anything definitive.
Thanks,
James

[KevinH]

Thanks James for providing URLs for the J Hoare items for comparison which I have added to Reply #6 above as replacements for the original images.

However, I am not sure the additional link is what you intended - as it goes only to a general Pinterest page with a variety of glass items. But I cannot check Pinterest pages properly because the system tries to force me to Sign Up and Login, which I do not wish to do.