Topic: Small green opalescent creamer

[thewingedsphinx]

Any help identifying this small green opalescent jug would be appreciated. I recently saw another on eBay but that wasn't identified either.
Thanks Mike

[Paul S.]

No idea Mike, though I was going say Fenton at first.            Is it a form of Vaseline, or is it without a u. glow?           As you know probably better than me, B.T. were keen on opalescent, but as far as I know they didn't do this colour - it looks a tad more modern than theirs.

It won't help remotely, but how small is it

[Lustrousstone]

Isn't this a Sowerby colour?

[thewingedsphinx]

Hello, there’s no glow to this one as I checked it. We originally had this as “unknown “ but in recent times a B.T. was referenced against it. I don’t think it’s BT either. Around 6 cm high. The colour and whiteness ? On the inside, is very similar to some Sowerby green opalescent pieces. There’s one in the PremierAntiques website at the moment. I don’t think it’s Sowerby either. I agree with Paul it maybe more modern?
Cheers Mike

[Paul S.]

I could be wrong, but it doesn't appear that Mike Tomlin has this particular opalescent colour on his 'Sowerby Colours' site - neither do I see it in Sheilagh Murray's 'The Peacock & The Lions' - though I do tend to look too quickly at times.

Christine, are you saying that you do have a piece of Sowerby in the colourway?

[glassobsessed]

Portieux?

John

[Lustrousstone]

No I haven't got a piece, though the OH always shines g his UV torch when we do see one. See here https://www.premierantiques.co.uk/rare-sowerby-green-opalescent-vaseline-glass-posy-vase-c1879-3089-p.asp

[Paul S.]

you make it sound as though you're knee deep in these things

We can't argue with lozenge Registrations - especially those that can be decyphered - however there is some confusion here, and the caption description in the link is wrong, insofar as Sowerby's Aesthetic-green is a non-opalescent opaque colourway and looks nothing like this.        I'm also a little confused regarding use of the word vaseline, in the link - am I reading Christine's comments correctly and that these Sowerby pieces don't contain uranium?                  This Sowerby opalescent piece in the link refers to Board of Trade Registration 340005, and is described on the original factory drawing as a 'square vase' and shows nothing of the pressed decoration as appears in the flesh  -  judging by the price and lack of other images of such things, it appears to be rare.

Copy of the original factory drawing now attached.          In Cottle's reproduction of Pattern Book IX (1882 - 12 pages) he shows this design as pattern 1437, and his illustrated example includes the decoration showing in the link.     Cottle doesn't confirm this pattern in his own text, for some reason there's just a blank against 340005

P.S.    is it me, or are we looking at two different colours - is there an actual difference between the colour of Mike's creamer and the peppermint of the linked item?

[Lustrousstone]

This colour doesn't contain uranium, so the term vaseline is erroneous. IMO they are the same colour

[Paul S.]

thanks for the clarification  -  agree the linked description is wrong and misleading - perhaps use of the word Vaseline was to encourage States buyers.           Nonetheless a seemingly rare colour and as they say on ebay 'a good addition to anyone's collection'.

P.S.   I've looked through the final three or four years of Sowerby's Registrations and for some reason it seems they didn't produce any designs for milk jugs or creamers in those final lozenge years (early 1879 to 1884).        Another significant point here is the fact that Mike's creamer lacks both the peacock's head and Reg. No.              Sowberby pieces are well documented for almost always showing one or both, so the absence of these marks IMHO suggests this creamer is unlikely to be Sowerby - despite the colour similarity with the linked item.           That's not an infallible 'no', but a strong suggestion that noting to do with that factory  -  it doesn't for example rule out a heavily used mould where these marks were worn to oblivion.