Topic: Davidson catalogue 157 or 195? Slag Spooner

[thewingedsphinx]

Here is a lovely slag spooner or marmalade pot Possibly Davidson catalogue 157 or 195 unfortunately my pgcc pamphlet does show quite the detail, any opinions welcome as I cannot find any pictures of these patterns.looks a bit like Ivy with a small flower? Cheers Mike

Fred, I’m hoping you may have done better references?

[thewingedsphinx]

Fred my spellcheck got it wrong as it should say “some” better references.
Thanks Mike

[agincourt17]

Mike, I don't think that I have ever seen a piece similar to this before. Does it have the Davidson demi-lion trademark?

Those horizontal 'hoops' or bands bordering the floral design are certainly reminiscent of the stylised horizontal straw bands depicted on many straw bee skeps modelled as pressed glass honey pots, but there don't seem to be any catalogued Davidson  honey or marmalade pots matching your pot.

Unfortunately, I don't have any photo references for actual items in Davidson's
157 or 195 patterns.

The 157 sugar and cream illustration in the Davidson catalogues of unregistered designs shows an ivy decoration without any sign of flowers or berries.

The 195 covered butter certainly has a flower and leaf decoration, but the pattern looks far more delicate than that on your pot (though that may simply be a matter of scale).

Fred.

[thewingedsphinx]

Fred, thanks very much for your time, I’ve not been able to find a makers mark. Our PGCC Davidson phamplet for 1878-88 only shows some patterns,have you any idea how many patterns they churned out in this timeframe?
I wasn’t sure about the references I have given, as it’s difficult to see the detail in small pictures.
Thanks again Mike

[agincourt17]

The Davidson catalogues of unregistered designs 1880-1890 showed the following different patterns by category:
Frames & Cruets 3;  Celeries 26;  Jellies & Sweetmeats 36;  Jugs 4; Match Stands 4;  Cheese Stand 1;  Mustards 9;  Piano Stands 4;  Pickles 3;  Honies & Marmalades 5; Egg Cups 4;  Flower Pot 1;  Cans 12;  Candlesticks 8;  Tumblers 125;  Sugars & Creams; 83; Sugars & Covers 63; Salvers 50;  Comports 1;  Centres & Stands 15;  Butters 31;  Butter Middles for Platters 4; Dishes - round 45;  Pin or  Cigar Ashtrays;  Plates or Bowls 35;  Salts 50.

There was, however, some duplication when categorised puurely by pattern number because, for example, the same decorative pattern number may appear on a sugar, creamer, butter, celery, dish, plate etc. etc... , and the pattern numbers run from 1 through to 500, with the tumblers alone running from 1 to 160 (though the bulk of the other pattern numbers are in the 100s or 200s).

Fred.

[thewingedsphinx]

Crikey thanks Fred for the explanation,no wonder my folks didn’t get them all

[thewingedsphinx]

I think this maybe Greener rd 383640 1882, evidently the spooner also comes with a lid which has the Greener lion mark. I sold mine to a chap from the National glass fair. I recently picked up this very rare biscuit barrel of the same patter. It has a tiny reg number near the finial but is not readable.
There are some other piece on this site and the foliage looks the same. Does any one have any drawing illustrations? Cheers Mike

[Paul S.]

Rd. 383640 from 19th July 1882 looks to be a band of floral decoration - ferns and other related looking things within arched panels - certainly not Registering a barrel shape  -  but it is Henry Greener.
Mike - what made you suggest this No. for the marmalade pot?

[thewingedsphinx]

Hi Paul, if you search 383640 in the search field you will find an old post. The plate has some foliage themes and one appears to have the same leaves and flowers as the pot and the barrel plus there is another thread with a slag plate with the same foliage. I’ve spent ages trying the read the number on the barrel which finishes with an “0”  hopefully I’ll have another go tomorrow. Have you any drawings of this rd. cheers Mike
I will add some better pictures later.

[Paul S.]

Mike - I've looked at the Board's archive images for Henry Greener Rd. 383640, and they all appear to agree with TNA image I've now attached, which was a design Registration for decoration rather than a shape  -  you can see that the original factory drawing shows a series of conjoined arched panels each showing variety of plant leaves or whatever.
Compared to the floral pictures on your marmalade barrel they are finer in detail  -  but leave it to you to make a comparison of the two, and see what you think.
Sorry the Kew image is very poor - taken before I got the hang of snapping these very old shiny factory photographs  -  I can take a better picture but not for a couple of weeks or thereabouts.