Topic: Bagley? Impressed Tudor Rose motif

[Max]

I'm still reading Andy McConnell's fab book, 20th Century Glass (ISBN 1 84533 0994) and stumbled across an interesting piece of information.

There's a photo of a Bagley 'Wild Oak' handkerchief vase in flint, designed by Bagley.  However, the piece goes on to say that the moulds for that particular vase were transferred to Rockware who produced it for a short while.  The salient point is that the base is impressed with a large Tudor rose motif.

I thought Rockware only produced bottles, but I've dropped them an email checking that they produced utility glassware in the past with the Tudor rose impression - maybe I've got the wrong Rockware, could they have added the motif?   :?   It'd clear up a couple of queries on here if they confirm.

[Lustrousstone]

Hmm, never heard of that one. It's not in the Bagley book as far as I can see.

[Max]

It's a new one on me too Christine...perhaps it was very short-lived production?  It looks almost Scandi in appearance, textured, icy/barky, and thick walled.

Edit:  I've changed the title of this thread.  I wonder if Angela can help?

[Anne]

Why not ask Andy himself about it? Perhaps he can expand on this some more for us on the board?

[Max]

Anne, maybe I'll give him a ring today.  I feel a little awkward about phoning someone I don't know very well and asking them a question about their book.  I'm probably being silly.   :oops:

On another note, he has a huge piece of glass he'd like identified and I said why not put it on the GMB?  I think he's too busy though, so he's sending me some pics when he's got the photo's done.

[chopin-liszt]

Still waiting for my copy of the book - it's ordered.

I've got one of these icy, barky vases with a Tudor rose on the base. It's not a pontil mark, I think it's pressed, but I can't find any seams. The base has been ground and polished flat where the glass meets the surface it sits on, in the way that pressed glass often is. My real reservations about the piece are to do with the colour of the glass. It's very yellow - not a good colour.

[Max]

It's good you have a piece readily available Sue, odd colour though...maybe it got contaminated somehow?  

I spoke to Andy, his feeling is that the impressed Tudor rose is original from the Bagley moulds, as he couldn't see any reason that Rockware would have added it.

Andy was in communication with Pontefract Museum and obtained an advert from The Pottery Gazette showing the 'Wild Oak' hankerchief vase by Bagley.  From Betty Parsons, he received the information that Rockware took over the Bagley moulds in 1975 when Bagley stopped making fancy glass.

So, I presume that the Tudor Rose is a Bagley motif?  Perhaps Angela might be able to confirm that.

[Frank]

Note from Andy

The Handkerchief vase illustrated in the Bagley section of my book, 20th Century Glass, just published by Miller’s, is from Bagley’s Wild Rose series [also called the ‘Wild Oak’ in certain advertisements]. The range extended through several shapes, including  a tankard and an ashtray...and the Hankie vase. All the pieces from the range were deeply impressed with a distinctive ‘White Rose’ logo.

The range was apparently produced by Bagley for John Artis Ltd, of PO Box 25, Barn Hatch, Masssetts Road, Horely, Surrey, RH6 7DP. Tel: 02934 2420 & 6690 [address as advertised in 1976 & ‘77].

Artis illustrated an ashtray from the series [‘Recommended Retail Price £1.99’] in Tableware International in February 1976 [page 48]. The tankard was illustrated in the November/December, 1976, issue of the same journal. In both cases the bold White Rose motif was illustrated boldly. The tankard was described at that time as: ‘An exciting addition to the range of White Rose Hand-finished English glass in Gift Packs’.The ad for the ashtray stated: ‘Wild Oak Ashtray...from the exciting range of more than twenty Gift Boxed items of White Rose Hand-finished English Glass...’

I think that it may be deduced that Bagley made the range exclusively for Artis, which switched production from Bagley after it ceased to make pressed fancy glass in 1976. I seem to recall that it was Derek & Betty Parsons who told me that Rockware took it over for a short period after 1976.

[Leni]

Would it be possible to see a picture of the Tudor rose mark, please?  Only I've got a little clear pressed glass something (candle holder?) which I had always assumed was Scandi, and it has an impressed Tudor rose on the bottom    :shock:

Here's mine: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10048/normal_Tudor_Rose_candle_holder.jpg
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10048/normal_Tudor_Rose_candle_holder_base.jpg

[Lustrousstone]

The "produced for John Artis" may explain why no mention in the Bagley book.

Leni, your thingy certainly sounds like the vase in question