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Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« on: May 02, 2019, 06:03:34 PM »
Good evening all.
I have a set of 8 Hock Glasses which I believe to be antiques.
Light brown/gold with a decorative stem of hollow sections. The pontil is rough/sharp. Just over 6" (15.5cm) tall.
I'm aware Powell/Whitefriars produced such glasses in the late 1800s, early 1900s as a response to demand and that these were based upon German originals.
Can anyone please identify (maker/date) the glass in the images?
Thank you for tour help.
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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2019, 08:49:46 PM »
I'd be more inclined to seach Theresienthal roemers first maybe?

I don't know if the colour and shape are correct for Theresienthal as I've not had a good look but I'd look there first.
If you search on this site, then a link to Theresienthal pages of research by Stephan should come up I think.

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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2019, 08:50:44 PM »
ah,this might be link:
There is one on there with a very similar stem, knops and merese etc
but you will have to search all through the site links to see the various glasses and shapes - I've not time to do a full search for you.

http://www.roemer-aus-theresienthal.de/index2.html

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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2019, 09:35:42 PM »
Many thanks M, much appreciated.
I'll have a look...
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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2019, 09:48:57 PM »
In fact, yes I'd say that is a remarkably similar stem in terms of formation and design.
I'd say Theresienthal is very likely.  Hope you find a match on there - it takes a good while of searching :) but it's a fabulous site.

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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2019, 10:04:17 PM »
I think I may have found it already M...

The text says "Romans, after a design by Schinkel, colorless glass lustrated, around 1890 19.6 cm high, diameter of the Kuppa 6.5 cm, Kuppa with Weinlaubgravur; three Rosettenuppen on cylindrical central part, which is delimited by a wavy band down, articulated Hohlbalusterschaft with four disc modes; Scheibenfuß;"

This make sense?

and the image is as follows...

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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2019, 11:07:07 PM »
It does. However the bowl on that looks slightly shorter than the bowl on yours and the merese on yours look to be slightly 'thicker' less refined/slim.
But without seeing yours side on, properly side on, it's difficult to compare.
Can we see a side on of yours? 

I'm just wondering if yours might be slightly later or something.

Is yours lustred btw?
I think yours must be Theresienthal, I just wonder if it's a more recent (than the one shown there) edition, if they did repeat designs over the years.

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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2019, 10:14:46 AM »
Good morning M
I can see what you mean with regards to possibly being less refined.
The glass is clear, so I suspect this means it is not lustred.
I have attached another image to help clarify the size/shape bowl. I also recognise that my glasses are just over 15.5cm tall and therefore shorter than the example I have posted. Whether this means it is earlier or later to the example is possibly the question to try and fathom and maybe I need to keep searching the catalogue.
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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2019, 11:02:47 AM »
Right, thanks.  There are differences: the bowl shape; the bottom part of the stem above the merese joining the stem to the foot; but basically that is the same design of glass and a very similar colour.  I think it's Theresienthal but just a different shape glass.

Others do come up with that bowl shape.

So, it might be worth doing some research on the site to find one with a similar bowl shape.  Always worth doing research because it throws up some amazing information useful for memorising for future purchases. 
If you do find one bingo.  If not I would, after some research, contact Stephan to see if he will verify it for you.
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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2019, 01:52:51 PM »
Many thanks for all your help m, you are much appreciated.
I will take your advice and research deeper.
Regards
Jack

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