Topic: Surface decorated crackle type glass not Monart poss Loetz Kralik

[chopin-liszt]

 
I have heard that there has been a Monart collector - and I do NOT know who, who sent every single bit they purchased to be professionally polished.
I do not know how large their collection is or was, but there is a possibility that that person might be responsible for a lot of over-shiney Monart. I do not know when or where this occurred.

[fatbelly]

I will do some more image of the vase from a distance tomorrow top middle and foot.
Anything that narrows down the possibles and I will measure it again to the mm.
Thanks for all the input it’s all very helpful
FB.

[fatbelly]

Pics as promised.
Let me know if they are what you wanted see
FB

[flying free]

I think the shape code is actually  'PC Variant' according to this in the catalogue link
http://www.ysartglass.com/Moncat/Page04vary.htm
And it does say 'proportions vary'.

Also, if it is surface decorated would someone actually polish it at a later date?  Really? I think it must just be a glossy finish?  Actually, it doesn't look as though it is 'surface decorated'.  Is it intercalaire and cased clear on the outside?

[chopin-liszt]

I really don't know if the person might have had a surface decorated bit polished.

It's not as if archaeologists in the past have not destroyed old things in primitive attempts to investigate them in the past.
Digging up bones at Stonehenge and them reburying them all in a disorganised mass in a different place without noting where they came from, sort of thing.
Never, ever underestimate human stupidity. 

[flying free]

oh, yes, I forget the human aspect and the need to make perfect

However, question is, is that vase actually surface decorated or is it done intercalaire?
I do think PC Variant is a matching shape.

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[chopin-liszt]

Monart would not have had a fine clear layer added after surface decoration.
(I assume that's intercalaire?)

It's not something I've ever seen on a Cloisonne or Paisley Shawl piece.
The surface decorated pieces are far more thin on the ground than (most) of their other output. They were far more work intensive and difficult to produce. Hence the variation in precise measurements, too.

[fatbelly]

It is surface decorated and does not have an outer case in clear.
The surface is not as glossy as the images suggest.Strip lights and the natural light give it that appearance although it’s definitely not dull.
I believe the shape is exactly right.But someone could have copied it.
I believe the colour palette is 42b as shown in the previous comparison images.
The base finish is not what I would expect from a Monart piece hence my Not Monart in my title.
That’s about all I can say at the minute but I’m still looking.
Thanks for the help it is most welcome
FB.

[flying free]

the interior picture of a Monart Cloisonne from Scotlands glass just for comparison to the white and rim of the Op's

http://www.scotlandsglass.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=1425&Itemid=1#

[flying free]

can any form of pontil mark be felt on the vase base?  It's difficult to see anything from the photos.
And apologies, I've just seen that a previous poster mentioned the variant PC form.