Topic: Cobalt blue frosted art deco vase - Espaivet??

[Jay]

There may be a link to another story as well (The Catteau vase with 'Chinese roses' (http://vases-art-deco.fr/scailmont.html  at the bottom) was made at Scailmont, but at some point the mould was sold/(re)moved to another factory, the Catteau signature was removed from the mould). I have been told that the mould was later returned, and inspected, and that it 'is known' where the mould was used interim...however I'm still not able to access that vital last link..where where these satine vases being produced after the original factories closed?
My guess has always been Preciosa, because I know they were completely unethical in this respect and VERY acquisitive for molds!) PLUS it kinda follows the style of Desna /Barolac / Hoffman products, but it is still only circumstantial evidence.

[chopin-liszt]

There are images of 4 vases in my book, the one I have not mentioned yet, is a round shape with crysanthemums on a ribbed background. There is an amber example in the museum.
Those 4 are all there are in this "range" of satinated vases from this maker, in the museum itself and in the book from it. Although I did not see or photograph the "Les Nuages" style one which is in the book, it wasn't on display.

I've found an image of the crysanthemum one on the web, (on pinterest which I don't understand) described as;
Art Deco P de Cagny Amber Frosted Satin Glass French Chrysanthemum Vase Signed #ArtDeco #PderCagny
https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/556827941407170554/
that might be a link to it. 

I'm only dabbling around the edges of this, Jay - I don't know nearly enough background to be able to contribute. I just felt when I was in the Museum that I really ought to get records of these particular vases and their attributions.

[Anne Tique]

There may be a link to another story as well (The Catteau vase with 'Chinese roses' (http://vases-art-deco.fr/scailmont.html  at the bottom) was made at Scailmont, but at some point the mould was sold/(re)moved to another factory, the Catteau signature was removed from the mould). I have been told that the mould was later returned, and inspected, and that it 'is known' where the mould was used interim...however I'm still not able to access that vital last link..where where these satine vases being produced after the original factories closed?
My guess has always been Preciosa, because I know they were completely unethical in this respect and VERY acquisitive for molds!) PLUS it kinda follows the style of Desna /Barolac / Hoffman products, but it is still only circumstantial evidence.

I need to have a look through some books and sites because a few years ago I came across another theory, that Catteau followed an internship in white Russia and apparently came back with this design. I can't remember where I have read it but i'll try to find it back. I have the same vase, unmarked and much lighter in weight.

[Jay]

The story I heard was that 'a mould was returned to Scailmont, and it was clearly visible that the signature had been removed from the mould.'

The source didn't recall any more detail, so...it provokes questions rather than answering them!

e,g, if the mould WAS returned to the factory, then maybe it was holidaying nearer to Belgium (than Russia or Bohemia) during the 'lost years' ??

[chopin-liszt]

Just for clarification, because it confused me greatly, the Chinese Roses pattern is the same as Ondulations on the Scailmont link.
(It didn't look like roses to me and isn't called Chinese roses, I went on a wild goose chase looking for chinese roses elsewhere and found it was the same vase as Ondulations.)