Topic: Very old blue coffee mug

[flying free]

That's very kind thank you.

Yes you can click on the envelope icon under my or anyones poster name and an email should get through on messaging.  When the person replies their email can be seen on that reply so it is not hidden.

I have no Scandinavian glass I don't think 


Most of my glass is 19th century Bohemian or French and some English. Some 18th century and one 17th.
  Really very little 20th. 

None of it cost huge amounts of money. I rarely buy now as I have so many pieces I'm still researching.   That is the bit I really enjoy to be honest

[BlueOctopus]

Confusing is rising. Today I showed the mug to a colleague, he knows nothing about glass, but surprise he found something I missed all the years. The mug had an text in the medaillon, and with a magnifier I could read it. It is almost 99,999 % washed away, but is is remember me... in English!
Bohemian with English text??
Remember glasses are sometimes very old, but 1820-1850 as thought?
Is this made in UK? Did you have this habit for remember glasses? I thought this is typical German.
Was the color of the mug used in UK in early times, or is it just written in English but made in Germany.
You find me confused. 

[Lustrousstone]

If it was a spa glass, the text could well have been in English for English visitors, or it could have been sold at one of the English spas. Souvenir glass was often made in a different country to that it was sold in. These two were both made in the USA, but the one on the left was sold in Canada (Winnepeg) and found in England http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1470

[flying free]

Yes I think I have seen a blue version with that on.

If I recall I have seen a tankard (rounded not straight sided) with that on.  I seem to remember it being sold as Georgian made in Newcastle ??  I remember filing it for thought that I didn't believe it was made in England

I'll see if I can find the reference as my memory may not be totally accurate, but I do recall thinking hmmm, I don't believe made in England.  Text would have been gilded I think so that's why it's washed off.  The enamel would have been fired on (elsewhere? - Germany or I think, Bohemia?) 



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[flying free]

see my post above and here are the links to our discussion on here:

https://fieldingsauctioneers.co.uk/lot/104561

blurb says:
'A late Georgian mug, possibly Newcastle, of footed baluster form with everted rim and applied loop handle, gilt and enamel decorated with a cartouche panel reading 'Forget me not' surrounded by flowers and foliage over a pale blue ground, height 11cm. Provenance - This mug was exhibited in the Circle of Glass Collectors Commemorative exhibition in 1962 held at the Victorian and Albert Museum.'

It's a sky blue opaque glass tankard with rounded bulging sides and an applied foot.  It has white enamel leaves in an oval cartouche on the side and says  on it 'forget me not'.  It's the one I thought to myself 'not made in Newcastle, possibly Bohemian'.  But that's just my thought, no evidence for that feeling.

and our discussion thread here:


https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,64348.msg360643.html#msg360643

[BlueOctopus]

Wow, your brain is very near to a computer. Great, for me it looks like the same company. But one silly question, even if your are still at bohemian, Georgian means which time. Sorry I‘m not familiar with English time counting. 
This 50 Cent mug brought really a lot of mysterie and questions in my life. Thank you, glass can be so exiting. 
 

[BlueOctopus]

Tommorrow my salery comes, first thing I will do is buying this book! Part 2

[flying free]

well this is what Wikipedia says :

'The Georgian era is a period in British history from 1714 to c. 1830–37, named after the Hanoverian kings George I, George II, George III and George IV. The sub-period that is the Regency era is defined by the regency of George IV as Prince of Wales during the illness of his father George III. Wikipedia'

So they too thought early 1800s for the tankard despite maybe not having the right country of making.

I don't think we can say looks like the same company.  I believe there were a number of factories producing blue opaque glass at this time.  They all had their own recipes for producing their colours, i.e. as far as I recall ( open to correction ) they were  not colours bought off the shelf from a company.  So there will probably have been more than one factory making this type of opaque blue glass (source reference: Das Bohmische Glas Band II seite 33,34,35 where there are a number of opaque blue glass items two with different makers mentioned, three that merely state 'umgebung Haida' ).
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[flying free]

ah well   if you buy the book, see page 35 first, then also look at 30-32 for the white enamelling.
Then also look at the catalogue (musterbuch) of salts designs that were produced in 1832 where this type of enamelling can be seen on some of the pieces.

(I will try and find a link to that for you)- later

The Musterbuch was produced by J. F. Romisch 1832

If you look that up on google some picture MIGHT come up on Pinterest. I cannot find a reference at the moment that I can link to but you should see a page of vases with that enamel decoration and also a page of Salts. I have them saved somewhere from somewhere but cannot remember how I got them now.

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[flying free]

Interestingly, regarding the coloured glass from around this time period, Das Bohmische Glas Band II says this:

'Zeitgenosischen Statistiken zufolge unfasste die Erzeugung von Klarglas einschliesslich Kristallglas bis zum Jahr 1830 vier Funftel der gesamten Glasproduktion.  Den Rest bildete Glas in traditionellen Farben, transparentes Dunkelgrun und Kobaltblau, hellblaues Opak- und Milchglas. Mit Ausnamhe des Milchglases war das bohmische Farbglas dieser Zeit wie im 18. Jahrhundert vor allem fur die Herstellung von Gebrauchs- und Verpackungsglas bestimmt.'

So, if I have translated that correctly, about 20% of the glass in production in Bohemia by the year 1830 was coloured glass as described above.  Most of it was clear glass.

Waltraud Neuwirth also discusses the different variations of blue glass in the book Farbenglas 1 and II.
As does Walter Spiegl if I recall correctly.