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Author Topic: Victorian Sating air-trap Glass vase  (Read 1266 times)

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Offline LEGSY

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Victorian Sating air-trap Glass vase
« on: October 29, 2019, 08:10:32 PM »
Unusual vase iv'e seen many similar pieces in the past usually
somewhere they have damage this is perfect :) i wonder if it
might be English any ideas? Thank you :)
Dimensions
Height 7"  x width 3 1/4"

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Re: Victorian Sating air-trap Glass vase
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2019, 09:32:27 PM »
looking at the base of this one, I'm not convinced this is a genuine pieces of period satin air-trap - the roughness under the foot and irregular shape to the base is worrying me a bit.         The shape of the air traps look unusual to my eye  -  let's see what others think. :)

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Re: Victorian Sating air-trap Glass vase
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2019, 10:35:15 PM »
Baijan maybe?  The link has gone for this image, and I think they may have mistyped it as Baijab, but there are similarities with yours in the top and the bubbles in the glass.  The base on yours looks very Baijan to my eye.  Just a thought.

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Re: Victorian Sating air-trap Glass vase
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2019, 07:29:01 AM »
It might be Victorian. If so Bohemian is more likely. It might be one of the Italian reproductions from the 1970s. I think the pattern may be referred to as rain drop. It's not Baijan whatever it is

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Re: Victorian Sating air-trap Glass vase
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2019, 08:21:50 AM »
what is the extent, or otherwise, of wear  -  generally something that is 120 years or more in age should show reasonable wear - and perhaps vases might be more prone to this than other items.   
I think Christine could be correct with the Bohemian suggestion, but the quality isn't there for English I don't think.

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Re: Victorian Sating air-trap Glass vase
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2019, 01:16:06 PM »
Hi Paul,
The satin or frosted treatment on the piece goes inside and out and this makes
normal associated wear appear different than other glass under my loop it shows as
very smooth areas around the rest which hasn't touched the ground so much
what i am trying badly to say is there is wear there on the outside of the foot
also the white interior has quite a bit of soot in it possibly in the making maybe?
It feels like a Victorian piece and it was purchased with mainly period glass in a lot at
a local auction its just in very good order maybe just well looked after ???
Thank for the replies interesting :)

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Re: Victorian Sating air-trap Glass vase
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2019, 01:18:43 PM »
 :)
Looking again at the base picture above can you see a small lump about 7 o clock on the outer edge it has one on each
side opposite to each other could it be mold blown into a two piece mold maybe at some stage in being made?? or just from being held maybe
in a clamp or something.

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Re: Victorian Sating air-trap Glass vase
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2019, 04:04:42 PM »
without going into the technicalities of the whole process, satin air-trap -  regardless as to whatever final form it took - seems always to have started life in a dip mould.                   So I suppose mould marks could be found - but as far as I know the moulds were not the usual 'pressed glass two part hinged type moulds', where seams etc. are more or less the norm.            I've only ever had one piece of this stuff so probably shouldn't comment - but mine was good quality - but presumably lesser pieces might have been made differently.
This stuff became big business in Europe in the C19, some of it mind-blowingly complex and to die for, but like anything that looks to be a money spinner, people jump on the bandwagon and quality drops.         
If you have Hajdamach  'British Glass 1800 - 1914', I think there are some pix there.


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