Topic: Georgian jug ?

[bat20]

Hi,this jug was described as Victorian but for me it's older.It's 7" tall,soda glass and has a lot of air bubbles with a pushed up base and one of those ringed broken pontils (not sure if there is a proper term.)and a lot of wear to the base ,It reminds me of the little soda glass jugs from about 1790,any thoughts many thanks.

[keith]

Could be early Victorian, or Georgian, with that style of handle, dab I think they call it, not so popular after the 1860s but used occasionally after that date. 

[Paul S.]

Would agree with Keith about dating for the handles that are top down, indicating pre 1870, but I'd suggest lots of bubbles aren't a firm enough indicator for accurate dating.                  The 'kick' - in the base - is, so I'm told, for strength.

If English and from the date suggested, isn't there more of a chance that this would be lead glass rather than soda? -  and the ringed pontil scar suggests a Continental origin  -  apparently, those glass workers often used a hollow pontil rod rather than the solid rod which was more common in the U.K.  -  the hollow rod presumably leaving a circular shaped scar when snapped off.

Problem is that we get so hooked on assuming glass is from the U.K., that we overlook Continental origins, where features and characteristics don't always agree date wise with British.

Who described this one as Victorian - and can you refer us to aby particular books for reference purposes for similar shapes/designs etc. for c. 1790.
sorry to be picky, but there's a lot of wishful thinking when it comes to dating as we all know, and not always easy to nail something down.

[bat20]

Thanks for the replies,no book reference I'm afraid Paul and a very good point about continental glass blurring the dating of some pieces.When I'm sure about a date I don't post on here,but with this piece       I thought it may come from the same family as the small soda glass cream jugs that are generally described as dating too 1790ish,I've had a few and have seen some with a blue applied rim.I think the shape with the long neck is evocative of that period but I'm no expert by a long chalk.Here's one of my small cream jugs from that period

[catshome]

What a little cutie.....would it be possible to see the bottom for reference purposes?  Thank you, Cat

[Paul S.]

"late C18/circa 1800" must be the equivalent of Paul Martin's "eighty to one twenty" valuations, perhaps   -  the amethyst jug is attractive.

The Michael Parkington sales back in 1997/98 contained quite a number of coloured cream/milk jugs - similar to this amethyst example - and which were given the same approximate date  -  some on circular pedestal feet and others without, the vast majority of which were either blue or green, with only one that looks to have been amethyst, which is the least common colour.                The catalogues omitted any reference to country of origin.     

It's worth being a tad cautious with glass described as late Georgian  -  both S. & W. and Richardson reproduced many Georgian patterns, and the retailer Hill Ouston sold both cut and coloured pieces based on designs from the early C19.         If we're going to buy such pieces it really pays to gen up and handle the real thing before laying out big shekels.

I'm a big fan of those baluster bodied - long necked -  strap handled cut water jugs from the middle third of the C19  -  those guy knew how to make something look good.             Can't resist being egotistical - see attached pix  -  it was couple of quid the other day in a charity shop - apologies for deviating.

[catshome]

Very elegant Paul, can we see the bottom please?

[Paul S.]

a substantial bottom it is too..

[catshome]

Thank you.....lovely pics of this piece by the way.

[bat20]

Nice jug Paul,my amethyst jug was from a charity shop some time ago and the blue rim one from a flea market,here's the base.