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Author Topic: Help identifying amberina vase and matching green vase  (Read 1410 times)

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Offline tshall

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Help identifying amberina vase and matching green vase
« on: February 10, 2020, 07:19:10 PM »
My husband purchased the red and amber vase when he was just a boy (40+ years ago). Recently he found the green one. These are the only two we have ever seen. I find no markings of any kind on them. None of my research has turned up anything. I'd love to know more about them if anyone has insight to share.  The measure about 11" tall

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Re: Help identifying amberina vase and matching green vase
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2020, 08:13:41 AM »
Hello and welcome.  Would you be able to post a picture of the base?  Even without markings, they can give clues!
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Re: Help identifying amberina vase and matching green vase
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2020, 11:47:02 AM »
Thanks a bunch for looking!

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Re: Help identifying amberina vase and matching green vase
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2020, 01:00:58 PM »
Hi - welcome from me too.             Sorry to appear thick, but assume the surface decoration is mould formed rather than cut.           Are we convinced that the red/amber example is amberina?                       Not that I'm up in the world of amberina you understand, but our minds tend to get stuck looking at the colourway of the historic Mt. Washington/Pairpoint art glass pieces, and for us Brits. who are unaccustomed to seeing amberina, this one looks a little off-colour possible.         
Was there much amberina made where the construction was mould formed does anyone know?

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Re: Help identifying amberina vase and matching green vase
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2020, 01:17:15 PM »
Thank you! I'm very grateful for the interest and any insight.  I am learning as I go here but to me, it doesn't look the same as other items I have viewed with the name amberina. (I'm not sure where that came from in the subject line.  I didn't name it that.) I'll add another pic. It does appear to be molded.  The pattern is smooth to the touch and there are 4 seams on the base that follow the pattern up the sides.

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Re: Help identifying amberina vase and matching green vase
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2020, 02:24:21 PM »
 :)  -  I'm not tech savvy, but assume that all text words written in subject titles are the work of whichever op is posting  -  perhaps I've got that wrong.
It's likely a failing of many of us to look at a colourway fading from some sort of reddish to some sort of pale amber, and assume possibly amberina.
There should be vastly more amberina your side of the pond than ours  -  perhaps you might have a general look and see if you can find a colour match with yours  -  somehow to me it lacks the depth and/or darkness of what I'm used to seeing as amberina, particularly as the original C19 colour references speak of fuchsia and ruby, which this one appears not to be -  but who knows   -  I get things wrong, often :)

It's well worth reading up on Locke/Shirley and their art glass inventions amongst which are Peach Blow, Burmese and Amberina - even if we never own any it makes for very interesting reading, especially being your side of the pond.

Whilst much amberina was called art glass at the time, we might not do so now as many designs would come under the heading of utility patterns  -  honeycomb was popular so to was optic ribbing  -  but these words concern the early designs, and for all I know in the ensuing c. 130 years ideas change and so do methods and colours.

This design may be from the States, but might equally be from Europe  -  have your tried Pamela Wessendorf's  'pressglas-pavillon.de or the other of Pamela's illustrated glass encyclopedia 'glass-musterbuch.de'.            I think they are accessible via this Board.

 

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Re: Help identifying amberina vase and matching green vase
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2020, 08:11:04 PM »
The base looks very similar to the one on this piece attributed as "Hazel Atlas by Continental Can Company".  Might be worth having a look at Hazel Atlas patterns.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/693743468/hazel-atlas-green-pedestal-florist-vase
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Re: Help identifying amberina vase and matching green vase
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2020, 09:54:58 PM »
As a Moderator I added the term amberina to try and attract the attention of folks that might be able to help.   There are other examples of mould formed amberina on the board, including one of my bits. :)
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Re: Help identifying amberina vase and matching green vase
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2020, 10:04:51 PM »
thank you Anne, though unfortunately not aware there are any amberina savvy collectors our side of the pond - perhaps currently interest for the stuff is very low - hopefully we might get some interest from the other side if they look in  -  they're rather quiet so far.
If this example is amberina, it looks rather bright and slightly orangey, but maybe results of the re-heating vary more than we might think.

Am sure I had a goblet vaguely similar to yours  -  long time back though.

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Re: Help identifying amberina vase and matching green vase
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2020, 03:04:05 PM »
This may be relevant, but it might not be.  ;D
I encountered this diagram from a Carnival Glass reference site while looking for something else and some striking similarities in design to these vases kind of hit me. So here it is.

Could they be Hortensja?

https://www.carnivalglassworldwide.com/athina.html
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