Topic: old oillamp with new life as lamp, Bohemian ?

[BlueOctopus]

Hello together

I would like to show you one of my newest pieces, and I think one of my best. It was an old oillamp which is broken in the top where the oil was, one gave  a new life to it by electrifiing it. It is clear glas with inner red ruby cover. this was very typical round about 1840 and the cut is very bohemian and typical for this time. I looked through a lot of books and found quite a lot desings which are quite close. So I came to the conclusion that this is Bohemian, round about 1840 and maybe Friedrich Egermann. If this is right it will be a very good bought, even when the oilpart has a crack.

Nerver the less if it is younger or not Egermann, I fall in love with this lamp and I´m very happy with it.

Do we have experts for Egermann Neuwelt in this forum?    I put one of the pieces I found in the books to show the similarity
 
Does anybody know when this type of oillamps had theire birthday? When I look around for old oillamps they seem always younger ( 1870-1890)

[BlueOctopus]

some more fotos

[Paul S.]

a stunning piece Monica - designed to make an impression on your visitors, but sorry can't help with provenance or real date, but would comment on your thoughts about Egermann  ………….    I know little about the guy, other than believe he is remembered more for his invention of staining - both yellow and red  - rather than full overlay, which believe is how you are describing the manufacture of the red colouring here.
His colours were apparently applied by brush and then lightly fired I think, which gave the effect of flashing, which was a more complex method of dipping a clear glass into a coloured glass to provide a layer of colour thicker than staining.                  Both staining and flashing provide a surface that can be wheel engraved or cut to reveal a clear glass design through the colour.

Are you sure your lamp is clear over ruby, and not the other way round - am sure you're right, but difficult to see in your pix.?        Is the book example you show a known Egermann lamp?

So, on the basis of not being stained, then possibly not Egermann, but a great piece and a good buy.

[BlueOctopus]

yes the pix from the book is egermann and ruby underlay. you see it in my pictures in  when you look near to the edges of picture 2 on the left side. and you can see as well in picture 3 in the gap between the oilcontainert and the food, it is clear. Clear glass and underneath the beautiful ruby underlay. the picture in the book is the same making and the book says that Ludwig Egermann was the first who was able to produce tis ruby over or onderlay without gold. he was so succesfull that other manufactures  burnt down his lab and sold the recipe to other glasmanufactures. the only doubt which comes up for me is the timne when the first oillamps like this appeared, I only found younger lamps from end of 1800
Monika

[cagney]

A very nice lamp.

Although I know nothing about Egermann. I would guess by the size of the oil reservoir it is probably from the kerosene era. This era roughly coincides with the first oil wells being brought in. I suspect the cap and burner if original may tell you more as to date.

[BlueOctopus]

in the burner was still the wick and a small rest of the petroleum on the walls of the tank. The wick was almost 3 cm broad and flat. I cut it of, because it looked like somebody forgot a cleaning rag inside. Do you think you can tell me more about the old burner when I post a foto of the burner?
Monika

[flying free]

Gorgeous find!  I'd go with Neuwelt as the maker.

Date wise, need to look at books but don't think you are too far out.

In my head, I think there was a period where this underlay was more prevalent than having the ruby overlaid over clear.  Also would love to see daylight photos, no artificial light, to see the colour of the ruby more clearly please.

And also a photo of the base.  Is it hollowed out and so just leaving a foot rim?

[BlueOctopus]

I don‘t know what you mean with hollowed out. On Wednesday I have holidays, I bring it out then and will make some pictures at daylight and from the inside.

Yes I think a real good find for 40€😀👏
Monika

[chopin-liszt]

Is the base solid glass and flat? Or blown, with a thick base ring to stand on. 
(If blown, it will be hollow.)

[BlueOctopus]

hello again
unfortunately is this picture not very good, I will deliver better on Wednesday, but I think you can see that it is hollow, all the way down to the conection to the upper part. it is only a small rim where it standing on
Monika