Topic: old iridescent, slightly carnival vase. Any info please?

[createdbear]

Hello friends,
picked up this vase and am intrigued by it. Quite thin glass with a beaut iridescence, darker on the top part. It has that carnival glass appearance but is not quite right to be carnival. The base has a fine star cut, which as the pic shows, has a blue iridescent 'smear' on it. It is 8 inches tall. The outside has a great texture. Any ideas of the origin or maker please? As always, any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[glassobsessed]

Has the look of John Walsh Walsh Vesta Venetian but I am not convinced, I take it the rim is cut and polished?

You should be able to find a couple of examples by searching here on the board.

John

[Paul S.]

must admit to never having seen any Vesta Venetian in the flesh, so my comments are based solely on Reynolds book, but they may be of help if only to discount Walsh   ………..

V.V. was, in theory, trade marked - either "VESTA  VENETIAN" or VESTA -  though it has to be said that from experience Walsh's marks are often notoriously difficult to locate on their wares.
Reynolds appears to show only two pieces of this particular invention - in colour  -  and they don't look too much like the piece here  -  substantially translucent and showing fine almost transverse lines across the bodies.

[createdbear]

Thank you glassobsessed. The rim is cut and polished. The vase was acquired in Birmingham so there could be that link with Walsh and Brum. Sorry that I haven't included the top of the rim...I had to cut the photo down to comply with the board's 125 size. I still haven't got the hang of taking the pics to the size! I guess we'll see if any more info comes along. Thank you Paul for your input also. I'm going to have a look through the board now to see if there is anything that may help. Thank you.

[glassobsessed]

Few pieces of Walsh are actually marked so I would not let the lack of mark bother me.

The vase in question is so similar to both Keith's in the link and this one that Walsh needs to be considered:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,44841.0.html

Bernard was convinced by Keith's vase.

[Paul S.]

It does look that the op's vase has been in the kiln and sprayed to produce that slightly marigold 'carnival' colouring we see on the upper half  -  this effect isn't seen on either the pieces in Reynolds or on Keith's glass, neither does the vase here have a translucent appearance as do the book examples.                With only two or three pieces from which to assess a specific design, it's impossible to be certain, and at best we can say only this vase is similar to V.V.
Of course, if someone can show pieces of V.V. with a marigold carnival decoration, then we're home and dry

[glassobsessed]

Just found this while looking for something else (happens a lot!), thought might as well add it here as it is a piece of Walsh VV, no mark.

[keith]

That is very similar to mine, I'd go with Walsh but the original post is something else, in my opinion 

[glassobsessed]

They all share vertical ribs with a spiral pattern formed using two moulds I think.

[Paul S.]

trying not to confuse the issue, but ……………………..    in the Grover's 'Art Glass Nouveau' - second printing 1968 - Charles E. Tuttle Co. - they discuss and reproduce images of a glass creation called 'Mother of Pearl Satin Ware (generally known as M.O.P), which apparently came in a variety of surface patterns and colours - with one pattern the States collectors call 'Zipper'.                Dates aren't provided for manufacture of this stuff, but presumably it must have been c. 1880 - 1915, probably, and most likely made in the States.
Similar to the appearance of the piece here, the ribs have continuous diagonal/spiral lines, causing the peaks of the ribs to have some vague resemblance to a zip - as in clothing.
The method of making M.O.P. glass isn't straightforward, and I won't quote the book text fully, but needless to say "succeeding layers of glass are acid dipped, and we have Mother of Pearl Satin Ware" ………….  "an outer surface that glows with a lustre finish".
Certainly the outer surface of M.O.P. tends to show some colour, unlike the Walsh V.V. which appears to be a non-coloured lustre finish only.

Haven't really convinced myself that the op's vase is M.O.P., but hope one of the States collectors who may know their art nouveau glass will look in and at least tell us the piece here isn't, so we can discount Mother of Pearl Satin Ware, as shown by the Grover's.