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Author Topic: Giant Dekelpokal, uranium green cut to opaque white  (Read 1553 times)

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Giant Dekelpokal, uranium green cut to opaque white
« on: July 23, 2020, 06:26:19 PM »
This is one of the most remarkable pieces of glass I have ever had the good fortune to purchase, a dekelpokal or covered goblet standing 23"/59cm tall and weighing almost 5kg.

The green is a uranium glass, most has been cut away to reveal the white underneath, the white does not appear to be opalescent. The foot is hollow, that small hole on the base is a curio, not sure of the purpose.

I am tentatively dating it to circa 1845 given the similarities to the white alabaster glass with pink overlay shown in photo IV.3 of the PDF that flying free linked to here:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,69749.msg388727.html#msg388727
The spiral or rope cut and the small flower bouquets match pretty well.

Opinions please and would the style be described as Biedermeier?

John

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Re: Giant Dekelpokal, uranium green cut to opaque white
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2020, 06:45:26 PM »
 :)
I've got the popcorn and I have settled in, waiting for Flying-free.
I suspect Biedermeier is right.
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Re: Giant Dekelpokal, uranium green cut to opaque white
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2020, 11:21:03 PM »
Heck of a find John  :o ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Giant Dekelpokal, uranium green cut to opaque white
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2020, 06:42:14 AM »
Great bought, i´m jealous  ;D

I´ll eat my hat if this not bohemian and Biedermeier.

I´ve a Biedermeier Egermann lamp, the cutting is quite similar and a couple of Biedermeier drinking glasses, all have similar cuttings

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Re: Giant Dekelpokal, uranium green cut to opaque white
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2020, 08:09:27 AM »
No hat eating please, I would not want to feel responsible for the indigestion caused and the loss of head coverings. ;D


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Re: Giant Dekelpokal, uranium green cut to opaque white
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2020, 10:51:02 AM »
Amazing piece of Biedermeier, as the base is hollow I assume the hole is for releasing the air inside, as was the practice with ceramic pieces.
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Re: Giant Dekelpokal, uranium green cut to opaque white
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2020, 06:43:27 PM »
Okay, after three of you have said Biedermeier then Biedermeier it is! Thank you.

I think the hole in the base was made with a drill, it looks that way with a loupe. Presumably that would have been after it had cooled.

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Re: Giant Dekelpokal, uranium green cut to opaque white
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2020, 07:27:10 PM »
Is there anything else it could possibly be?
(I'm being serious.)  ;D
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Re: Giant Dekelpokal, uranium green cut to opaque white
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2020, 11:23:21 PM »
ooh what a fab find!

I think it's milchglas rather than alabasterglas where with alabasterglas as I understand it the white is not opalescent but is fairly translucent.  Yours looks opaque rather than translucent (or rather more opaque than translucent). I'll try and find the thread with my alabasterglas with overlay blue cruet on to show the difference.

If it were mine my first investigations would be Adolfhutte bei Winterberg - the white of the glass somehow makes me lean towards this first, and the design and also the enamelling- an example here:
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/dr-fischer/catalogue-id-fischer10024/lot-38961498-15ec-4f96-b011-a72400f50b1e

and another option maybe  Annathal bei Schuttenhofen (It has a large polished pontil mark? - I don't know about Meyr's Neffe/Adolfhutte but that pontil mark feels as though it would be right for Annathal).

These are just my thoughts - always open to correction.

I'll get the books out on Monday and have a good trawl through to see if I can find similar to help.

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Re: Giant Dekelpokal, uranium green cut to opaque white
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2020, 07:12:35 AM »
Yes definitely an opaque white rather than a white alabaster glass, the example in that photo (IV.3 of the PDF) is alabaster however.

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