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Millefiori cartwheel, Caithness-Whitefriars?

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Ekimp:
Thanks Casalibre. I did come across Edinburgh crystal but was expecting an ‘E’ cane? I’ve just had another quick look, there don’t seem to be so many examples around, and they look to have ground flat bases rather than a concave pontil. Looks like they were possibly commissioned from Caithness too. I’ll have a better look later in any case.

chopin-liszt:
Caithness were incredibly strict. It can be really hard to find the flaw in a second. It's often something as small as just a single swirl in the dome.
And every Caithness weight I've seen has a flat polished base. Living near to Caithness means I've seen a lot of them over my life.  ;D
For me, the base rules Caithness out.  :)

Ekimp:
Thanks Sue, there seem to be Caithness weights everywhere you look ;D but I’ve only ever seen the lower end ones in person. I thought the base concave pontil might be wrong for Caithness so it’s good to rule one out. I’ll have to look for a Whitefriars weight on my travels to see what that button looks like.

I have a feeling this is going to be something to do with John Deacons. In this thread: https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4190.30.html KevinH says (second post on page 4) about the five point star cog canes, similar to the pre Caithness whitefriars canes, being made by John deacons and used in Caithness, Edinburgh, and St Kilda weights. The pictures have gone but they sound like the ones in my weight that match the Caithness-Whitefriars weight I linked to above. But then the pontil doesn’t seem to match any! I’ll have to do more searching, probably missing something.

Wuff:
First - you are correct: canes look like Caithness canes, but also have been used under different names and by other makers.

Caithness: I don't remember to have seen this weight before (and I have seen thousands of Caithness weights, at least images of them). Also the base finish excludes Caithness in my opinion.

Caithness-Whitefriars, i.e. the Caithness weights in their Whitefriars series, after buying the name: should either have the monk cane with year, or just a monk on its own (not always easy to recognise). Same comment about the base finish.

"Original" Whitefriars: as you write yourself - completely different base.

Edinburgh never made millefiory weights themselves - what shows up frequently as Edinburgh are the series made in 1986 by Caithness in commission. Millefiori weights include an "E" cane, base is flat and marked Edinburgh. A small number of designs only - your weight is not amongst them.

Perthshire: earlier standard millefiori weights did not include the "P-cane ... but to my knowledge these earlier weights had a fire polished base, not concave ground. The actual weights often vary considerably from what you see in the "Complete Guide" - but I would still consider Perthshire very unlikely.

This leaves Peter McDougal and John Deacons, both using this type of canes in their millefiori designs. My "favourite" would be John Deacons - used these canes at least in his J-Glass weights. I have never seen the base, however, so my gut feeling might be wrong.

Ekimp:
Thanks Wuff, that confirms things nicely.

I’ve not come across Peter McDougal, just had a quick search and they look quite fancy whereas there seem to be more John Deacons examples similar to my weight. I’ll have a better look at them both and see what I can find, thanks.

I had the impression when searching previously that John Deacons weights also have identifying canes or little picture canes in the middle. I see St Kilda was a brand name/range from John Deacons J glass.

It’s at least nice to be able to identify the origins of the canes, if not the whole thing.

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