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Author Topic: J. Wuidart & Co - Paris 1879 . Is this the same as Wuidart mid 1960s?  (Read 828 times)

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Offline flying free

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According to The Pottery Gazette November 1 , 1879

J. Wuidart & Co were Paris agents  at 7 Rue de la Fidelite.

See page 408 - under the advertisement for Ridgway, Sparks and Ridgway
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Pottery_Glass_Trades_Journal/hyUGAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=wittman+%26+roth+electron+glass&pg=RA1-PA308&printsec=frontcover


So was the company still going with a J. Wuidart in charge in the mid 1960s as I read on here re Stennet Wilson and Whitefriars and Scandinavian import products?
Is it the same company?


Just thought I'd start a thread with Wuidart as the title as there seems to have been many posts on this 'distribution' (?) company

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Re: J. Wuidart & Co - Paris 1879 . Is this the same as Wuidart mid 1960s?
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2021, 06:25:45 AM »
There are a few adverts in the Pottery Gazette which give the impression they were London based, founded in 1869. In 1910 they show two cut and etched suites, the Albany RD 558307 and the Berkley RD 558308, boasting that they were specialists in table glass of all grades with the largest stock around, which presumably included a lot of imports. The advert listed agents in Sydney, Cape Town, and Jamaica.

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Re: J. Wuidart & Co - Paris 1879 . Is this the same as Wuidart mid 1960s?
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2021, 09:20:39 AM »
In the 'big' W/Fs book, J. Wuidart are described as 'old established Belgian glass importers'  -  they appear not to have been manufacturers, and like other European importer/agents it was a common practice to have addresses in other European cities aside from their main address (which I assume was in Belgium)  -  Sowerby for example had showrooms/offices in Hamburg, Paris and Brussels.    Competition was big stuff and sales no doubt suffered if you couldn't keep up with the foreign competition.            I have no knowledge of the two Registered designs that Neil speaks of, but might look them up some time when I'm at TNA  -  but no doubt if you do have a peek then the Wuidart address will be shown as 26 & 28 Bartlett's Buildings, London, EC, which appears to have been their registered London address and is shown on their adverts for 'Wealdstone' material.                       
For how long Wuidart had been at that address I've no idea, or for how long afterwards, either  -  it seems from what Neil is saying that they may have been in London from 1869, and as W/Fs agents from 1932 until the 1960s.

This practice of an agent  -  based in the U.K.  -   Registering an imported design, not of their own making, was not uncommon in the first half of the C20.     some of the Czechoslovakian imports acquired this status, which make for difficulties in knowing who was the actual maker of the glass, since the Registration details show only the importer/agents name.     One exception to this is Schrotter's well known 'Lord' pattern designed for Inwald and imported by Clayton Mayers.   
Looking at Wuidart's adverts (1931 - 34)for 'Wealdstone', they omit any reference to W/Fs, and state only 'British Hand Made Lead Crystal', and presumably if Wuidart had exported 'Wealdstone' from the U.K., then any buyers would have been equally unaware as to the maker.            Did Wuidart export Wealdstone from the U.K. to other countries do we know.


E. (Edmund) Barnaby Powell appears to have been the originator of the designs for the 'Wealdstone' range c. 1930  .........   the name being taken from the location of the company's new Middlesex address for the glass house, having moved from Whitefriars (east end of City of London).

What is intriguing in all of this is that W/Fs having developed the 'Wealdstone' range c. 1930, and having signed an agreement with Elfverson's (wholesalers and importers of Swedish glass), in 1931, for its 'sole sale' (of Wealdstone glass), then suddenly Elfverson was ditched the following year, and replaced by Wuidart.            Something big had obviously gone wrong.     Answers please.

Don't know that we should necessarily read into the name that 'a J. Wuidart' (founder c. 1869) was still in charge in the 1960s  -  that was simply the Company name and company names don't need to change just because the founder is no longer.

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Re: J. Wuidart & Co - Paris 1879 . Is this the same as Wuidart mid 1960s?
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2021, 01:06:57 PM »
The 1910 advert does indeed show them at Bartletts Buildings. There is an earlier advert of theirs in the 1889 Gazette for a cut & etched pattern called the "brillante" - their address then was 24/25 Fore Street.

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Re: J. Wuidart & Co - Paris 1879 . Is this the same as Wuidart mid 1960s?
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2021, 01:23:07 PM »
Thanks for adding further information :)


Paul, the reason I asked about a J Wuidart is because Stephen (Nazeing) has talked on another thread about a John Wuidart and buying a car in the mid 60s? maybe 70s? 
So, just idly musing whether that was son of or grandson of the Original J WUIDART :) 

I come across the name quite frequently and just thought it could turn out to be important to have a thread on the company really. 




(not relevant but I was prompted by a piece from quote 'Our Paris Correspondent' in the Pottery Gazette c 1878/9 where it was mentioned that Sevres were selling the same articles as 'they' were from Wittman & Roth (! - fishscale vases later anyone?) under the name Elect  something or other and in the same shapes apparently.
No idea if this was to do with light shades or lamps or what.  Anyway, not relevant but it occurred to me that it could be interesting to have a thread on Wuidart as a distributor)

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Re: J. Wuidart & Co - Paris 1879 . Is this the same as Wuidart mid 1960s?
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2021, 01:41:32 PM »
thanks Neil  -  so it appears they had been at Bartlett Buildings, in Holborn, for quite some years, but obviously not for the entire duration of their time in London.

Ah, m, you didn't mention about buying a car in your opening post  -  now, that makes all the difference to the slant of my reply and I'd have gone the extra mile just for you -  do you think it makes a difference if we know the make and model of the car  ;D ;D ;)     -     sorry, I wasn't aware of the discussions with Stephen.                       I thought you were implying there was this wizened old guy with long white beard who'd been around in 1869 and was still going strong in the 1960s ;D

In view of the tie-up between W/Fs and Wuidart, I was disappointed to see very little info in the big book with details of their relationship  -  and as mentioned I'm intrigued as to quite why/how Elfverson got the elbow so quickly in 1932. 

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Re: J. Wuidart & Co - Paris 1879 . Is this the same as Wuidart mid 1960s?
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2021, 05:44:48 PM »
Have now attached National Archive images for the Wuidart 'Albany' and 'Berkley' Registrations from 1910 mentioned by Neil - designs for a wine and decanter, and if anyone has either it would be interesting to see these in the flesh.             There may have been some subterfuge re the listing under CLASS IV  -  as far as I'm aware Wuidart were agents/importers only so why the Register states 'Manufacturers' is a mystery, and it's an assumption only but the origin of this glass and bottle may well have been a Continental maker rather than from within the U.K.       Certainly their relationship with W/Fs was a long way in the future at the date this pair were Registered.

Five pix, so one will roll over to the next post.

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Re: J. Wuidart & Co - Paris 1879 . Is this the same as Wuidart mid 1960s?
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2021, 05:47:24 PM »
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