Topic: Georgian? diamond cut stem and bowl cordial glass

[markhig62]

Hi
I would appreciate some opinions on this glass. Bought as Georgian (late 18th century). Heavy for the size and greyish tinge (so lead glass?). Polished pontil. Facet cut top of foot. Diamond cut stem and bowl. Light wear to foot rim and a small flake/chip to the underside of the foot rim. Bowl width 5.1cm  Foot width 7.1cm   Height 13.2cm

Any help/thoughts welcome

Cheers

Mark

[bat20]

Here’s a William 1V glass with a cut foot and stem,so perhaps 1820ish ?. I’d be interested in other points of view on it aswell .Worth trawling this site https://scottishantiques.com/facet-cut-stems?product_id=14885

[markhig62]

Thanks - can't find any examples with cut bowl and, as you suggest, cut foot seems to be later. Any other ideas?

[Ekimp]

Nice glass. L M Bickerton’s book Eighteenth-Century English Drinking Glasses is the book that gets recommended if you’re into this sort of thing. He has a section on faceted stem glasses and shows one with diamond faceted stem and faceted foot dated c 1785. He says ‘Both facets and flutes can continue over the base of the bowl (very rarely over the whole surface) and appear as bridge-flutes on the foot’. The diamond faceted stem seems to go out of fashion after 1800, being replaced by vertical flutes. I’m always a bit cautious of later reproductions but your glass looks good to me (for what that’s worth), possibly more rare being faceted over the whole bowl

...and welcome to the forum

[markhig62]

Thank you. That sounds promising. I have also just found a glass in Ronald Gabriel - English Drinking Glasses - almost identical except that the foot is not cut. This is in the V and A and is dated at 1780. It is a lovely glass and didn't cost a lot (even considering that it has a very small, hardly noticeable foot chip. My port will definitely taste better in it!

[Ekimp]

I’m sure it will taste better but careful with the washing up

[bat20]

Polished pontil’s always make me think a bit later, but I’m sure they were around then ?here’s another regancy cut stem
https://scottishantiques.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=14324

[bat20]

Here’s a cut stem with a polished pontil dated 1790, I think the one above could possibly be around this date aswell ??
https://www.18cglass.co.uk/product-tag/georgian-glass/page/20/

[Ekimp]

Bickerton says that ‘it has become axiomatic that every glass of the eighteenth century will have either a pontil-mark or the evidence of grinding out’. He says the ground out pontil mark is due to the same improvement in cutting and polishing that facilitated faceted stems c 1775. He shows at least one from 1790.

[Paul S.]

sorry, can't help with dating, but just to say that if we buy something that is reputed to be Georgian, then it's quite legitimate for the piece to be anything from 1714 to 1830  -  the final few years being what collectors call Regency.     It should be easy to tell if the glass posted here is lead glass - there should be a good ring to the glass - the colour is often leaden, but that's not essential, apparently. 

The piece quoted as William IV would be c. 1830 - 1837, not c. 1820  -  no idea why the poor guy didn't last very long.              Nice glass by the way.