Topic: Etched/Engraved Vase

[NevB]

This is a bit of an oddity. The decoration appears to be a naively acid-etched ship with round-headed figures in hats. The wavy lines, seagulls? and floral motif are, I think, wheel engraved. I've seen a couple of vases tentatively described as "Stiegel type", an 18thC. American manufacturer, but that seems unlikely. Another one with a similar style of decoration is described as mid 19thC Dutch which may be possible. There was speculation of maybe early 20thC. Bohemian. Mine has a roughly smoothed pontil and a ground and polished rim which I think is original as the overall proportions look correct. As you can see it's full of bubbles.

[NevB]

More photos.

[Paul S.]

very modern - very cheap and wheel engraved, not acid etched.         From where I hear you ask - or not - Spain, Israel, China, anywhere that produces such faux antique pieces.    I think the 'ships' are mostly of a similar appearance.

[NevB]

Paul, with lots of wear on the base and in uranium glass??

[Paul S.]

well, uranium blanks are not uncommon, in a variety of shapes, as we know, and if a bit oldish will can have much wear.              A year or two back these things were quite common at boot fairs, and we have had them on the Board previously.     The type of decoration is fairly consistent, and lacks the quality of a period example.        Wear can be added or increased to suggest age, but these things look the part sufficiently to fool people who know little of antique glass.      Perhaps Egypt might be another source  -  try the Board's search and you should see others.

[English weather]

It is not Uranium glass. It is soda glass.

Soda glass will show green glow under UV light which is why sometimes people show clear glass examples under UV light that show green and think there is Uranium it.

It is not "Very modern". 1930-50's I believe. I have always thought these to be Venetian.

It is purposely "naive" engraving. That is how the range was designed.

[Lustrousstone]

Soda glass can be uranium glass, particularly as soda glass is the world's most common type of base glass. Any green glow from glass is not due to the soda (sodium dioxide) component. A dull green glow is caused by the manganese decoloriser used in older colourless and sometimes coloured formulae. A very bright green glow is caused by uranium coloriser (yellow when on its own).

That said, I too don't believe these naive ship engraved items have much age. That wear looks faked to me and you have to wonder why such a simple construction has both a pontil mark and a cut and polished rim...

[rocco]

These have been on the board before:

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,56792.msg323449.html#msg323449
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,63382.0.html

I think the common belief was Portuguese or Spanish, and quite recent...


Michael

[English weather]

That said, I too don't believe these naive ship engraved items have much age. That wear looks faked to me and you have to wonder why such a simple construction has both a pontil mark and a cut and polished rim...

The wear looks as genuine to me as I have ever seen. Not sure the base has a pontil mark. Looks like an indentation to me.

If any of you have, or come across any of these poor quality modern vases that are more than just straight vessels, I am interested.

Very cheap of course as it it deemed to be modern cheap rubbish.

Challis  10 1/2" high

[English weather]

Vase 9 3/4" high