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Author Topic: Small 19th Century chunky bottle / carafe  (Read 860 times)

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Offline SNJ

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Small 19th Century chunky bottle / carafe
« on: February 03, 2022, 09:38:42 PM »
Would someone please suggest a function for this small bottle? I doubt that it's an early prototype for Shippam's crab paste(!) so could it be a particularly small carafe or a bottle to hold a single measure of water to mix with a spirit? It's a chunky piece that fits comfortably in one hand, with a faceted neck and ground pontil, standing 9.5cm tall. It also has an interesting yellow tinge.

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Re: Small 19th Century chunky bottle / carafe
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2022, 09:07:29 AM »
Hi, how well does it pour? With that thick curved rim I imagine it might dribble everywhere if used as a carafe?

Maybe the crab paste idea is close, or some sort of preserve with a cloth cover tied on with string around the rim. I did think it looks a bit like a cupping cup but maybe too chunky for that :)

I tend to think clear glass with a yellow tint is from early 20th century - there is a topic here that might be of interest: https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=23733.0
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Re: Small 19th Century chunky bottle / carafe
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2022, 09:10:44 AM »
In line with your thoughts, it's worth considering this to be an example of a 'spirit measure'  -  we've had these on the Board previously.        Usually of a mini-carafe shape in outline - and often with faceted necks and fairly wide flanged mouths (apparently without pouring lips) - this is about the right height too.
If this is a measure, there should be some indication externally on the neck in the form of a cut notch or tiny mitre, to indicate the level of correct capacity  -  not always easy to see unfortunately.
As to the yellow tinge, perhaps they forgot the manganese that day ;)

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Re: Small 19th Century chunky bottle / carafe
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2022, 02:48:53 PM »
In line with Paul's thoughts, I'd found this to compare the kind of shape:

https://www.19cglass.co.uk/product/victorian-richardsons-patent-1-2-gill-measure/

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Re: Small 19th Century chunky bottle / carafe
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2022, 03:07:53 PM »

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Re: Small 19th Century chunky bottle / carafe
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2022, 06:37:38 PM »
I don’t think it’s a measure because of that rim, it looks like an applied ring. Why would they put that there and not just have a flared mouth that would probably pour much better?
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Re: Small 19th Century chunky bottle / carafe
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2022, 06:49:28 PM »
I’ve got a stoneware ink pot exactly 9.5 cm ??

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Re: Small 19th Century chunky bottle / carafe
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2022, 11:47:50 AM »
Many thanks for the input, everyone. I poured some water from the bottle and while it wasn't a particularly clean stream, it didn't dribble down the side; it still wouldn't suggest use as a carafe. I think the one thing that might discount it as a measure is the lack of capacity indication; I can't see a mark anywhere. It might well be an ink bottle but the neck interior is both wide and curved so it would need quite a large cork, perhaps disproportionate to the bottle's size. Additionally, the cut panels might suggest that it was intended as something 'better' than a simple utilitarian item. As for the yellow tinge being a possible indicator of age, I don't have the knowledge to say one way or the other but the heavy scuffing and scratches to the underside would seem consistent with a reasonable age. I think I'll just stick it in a corner of the dresser shelf as a mystery object!

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Re: Small 19th Century chunky bottle / carafe
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2022, 11:57:50 AM »
Just out of interest how wide is the opening ?Here’s a modern glass ink pot for calligraphy.1” stopper

https://arabiccalligraphysupplies.com/accessories-archive/tall-inkwell-with-cork

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Re: Small 19th Century chunky bottle / carafe
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2022, 08:53:06 PM »
The internal diameter is 3cm so maybe an ink bottle after all. Well done for finding such an obscure website, by the way!

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