Topic: Victorian Rummer

[NevB]

This has no lozenge or mark and so far I've not been able to identify it. Height is 5 1/2" and the density is 558gm./170cm3 = 3.28 gm./cm3. so it is lead glass and rings nicely. It has an engraving, "To Roy" I think, which may be contemporary, although that does sound a little unusual for the Victorian era.

[neilh]

This was a widespread pattern, I've seen it used by Robinsons, Percival Vickers, the Derbyshires. Your density value sounds too high, it should be coming in at 2.9g/cc more or less. Try weighing any piece of Davidsons flint and if you're not getting 2.4 to 2.5 ish your method may be inaccurate.

[NevB]

Thanks Neil you are right, I've re-checked the volume using a glass jug full of water which is easier to read and it comes out at 200cc. giving a density of 2.79. I had an idea it was probably PV or Derbyshire. I'm still trying to decipher the engraving.

[flying free]

Does the engraving not read L Hay? in cursive script?

[NevB]

It may well do flying free, I think you are right with the L then it might be an H or an R and AY, I can't tell.

[bat20]

I’ve had a few of these and sometimes with polished pontils , they’re are great size for serving beer to friends 👍

[cagney]

  American EAPG as well. Loop pattern A.K.A. Seneca loop. Pictured in a James B. Lyon & Co. Pittsburgh, PA catalogue  c.1861 as their O'Hara pattern. Said to have been made by many companies . Flint and non flint.

[NevB]

It goes to show Cagney that when it comes to design there's very little that's new. My rummer may be as early as 1850 but is probably a bit later.

[NevB]

https://www.cmog.org/sites/default/files/collections/FB/FBD851CA-36A2-42EE-A42C-FBF0980D1535.pdf

This is a similar one from the Robinson, Skinner and Co. catalogue, P.14 No.12C