Topic: Opalescent amphora vase - miniature 7cm. Is it Murano or Venetian ? & date

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John I'm glad you see what I see.  It could be the photographs but it does sit well when I compare them side by side.  Could be made entirely differently when compared in real life of course. It's so hard to tell.
It arrived with another piece that dates to the 1700s so I decided to take a look down that route having reached a dead end with this one.

You are right about the shape. It just seems so incredible, hence me thinking it must date to c.late 1800s.  I think I need to have another good search to see what pre-1800 shapes are out there. I know La Granja and Neuwelt used white glass to create items in the 1700s and some were vase shaped.

It's interesting for such a small piece

m

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ok, just thinking out loud here really.  Going back to maybe 1800s and thinking Salviati as a possibility, I've come up with a smallish vase 9.5cm, with what looks like a similar foot formation.  Also another piece, a lamp,  that seems to incorporate the white and the clear glass with a strange hint of pink to the clear glass. The odd hint of pink is what the pontil mark seems to show on my vase.
Rather infuriatingly the pics in the link don't seem to enlarge enough to see any close up detail:

http://www.archiviodellacomunicazione.it/sicap/ENG/ArtWorks/308346/?WEB=MuseiVe

and this lamp

http://www.archiviodellacomunicazione.it/sicap/ENG/ArtWorks/304745/?WEB=MuseiVe

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This tiny girasol goblet has a stem with a white core that was not opalescent. If it is like the white normally used in latticino it will be saturated with pigment (what is the right term?) so when drawn out it is still opaque rather than just fading away.

I don't think the two are contemporary, the goblet being late 19th C Salviati.

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I know what you mean John (solid opaque rather than streaky and showing areas of clear?)

Great goblet.  Was the foot the streaky white effect like the vase?  Grasping at straws here but the clear on your photo also has that slightly pinky tinge. 

That said my Salviati ewer also does not have the little fine black specks in the glass like the little vase does.  So it was a long shot I guess.

mmm, right.  More thoughts needed on my part I think.

Thanks ever so much for your help.

m

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ok this is not related to mine in any way but I thought, given discussions on another thread and that I was questioning this technique in my mind, it was interesting that the handles were applied bottom up (well that's how it looks to me?). It's ancient.

https://ancientglass.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/miniature-amphora/

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Re the vase shape and me questioning whether there were such shapes as vases in 'earlier than 19th century' Venetian glass, according to this Wikipedia page the blue vase at top left with handles applied bottom up, is 17th century Venetian glass and in the Hermitage.  I have no idea if that info is correct.  I'm amazed.  Never seen anything like it before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_glass

This chalcedony vase 1700s also in the Hermitage - handles applied bottom up.  Not so worried about the handles now. 
https://www.hermitagemuseum.org/wps/portal/hermitage/digital-collection/08.+applied+arts/203585

[Ekimp]

ok this is not related to mine in any way but I thought, given discussions on another thread and that I was questioning this technique in my mind, it was interesting that the handles were applied bottom up (well that's how it looks to me?). It's ancient.

No one told them they weren’t supposed to put their handles on that way….

[flying free]

    - it's curious though, this constant discussion of bottom up v top down and when it changed. 

[Ekimp]

Yes, and in which countries. I suppose it’s more of a guide than a rule

[glassobsessed]

I think any pink tinge might be a result of the dark background and the artificial light source maybe with a hint of opalescence getting picked up, guesswork really.

As to handles top down or bottom up - there are so few hard and fast rules, they are comforting but ultimately result in you wearing blinkers... All fashions shift.

The foot of the goblet is made with the same girasol as the bowl.