Topic: Pink opaline two part tazza with trailed rim

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I bought this a few weeks ago because it reminded me of the opaque uranium green wares that I have been attributing to Josephinenhutte for some time now, it is the many white spots within the glass that seem a reasonable match. Several examples here: https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,66757.0.html

I just noticed in sunlight although the top is frosted the white trail around it is not, curious I looked with a loupe and I think mechanical abrasion is the culprit given I can see some parallel lines in places. The base is frosted on the outside and shiny inside. The top is thick and heavy while the base is much thinner and lighter, the peg sits securely in the base and the whole thing feels nice and solid to use. The peg has been ground to shape as well as the base to receive it, on the inside quite distinctly where the shaft narrows just below the decorative twiddle at the top.

Looking at the photo of the edge of the foot the various layers of glass show up well, looks like red is covered in quite a lot of opaque white to create the pink. Those same surface layers have been ground away on the peg to reveal the opaque white core.

It stands 20cm high and the diameter is 24cm. Guessing a date around 1870 and a few potential Bohemian makers.

John

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The base.

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Come to think of it, the peg that I have described as opaque white is much more of an opaque clear glass.

[flying free]

John see here:

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,50827.msg367543.html#msg367543

I've not seen anything with that kind of rim nor the enamelled trailing though so nothing to show you on those attributes.

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That is interesting, Anne's egg cups show the same construction of a thick layer of opaque then a thin layer of the red followed by a thinner layer of the opaque white/clear on the outside. One difference seems to be that the tazza is frosted while the eggcups/glasses are not.

I have yet to find anything with similar trailing either, a few examples in different colours with gilt rims though.

There is this however, CMOG, fabulous bit of Clichy: https://www.cmog.org/artwork/tazza-17

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This ebay item seems to have the same construction (with those white spots):
https://www.ebay.com/itm/234299887845

Also spotted a pair of pink lustres somewhere earlier that seem to match the ebay item quite well.

Similarities also, again on ebay: https://www.ebay.ph/itm/164220585613

[flying free]

This pair are sold as Clichy - they have a trailed rim however not the same decor and the foot and stem formation is very different to your bowl:
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23557/lot/160/

I have the book  Baguiers et verres à boire du XIXème siècle, Leon Darnis, which is half about footed bowls (the rest about French tumblers).  There are no French items like your bowl either in decor,  or in stem and foot execution.

My knowledge is limited and there is definitely some cross-over of some of the pieces with frilled edges/serrated 'crowned' rims between FRench and Bohemian but would be inclined to think the foot and stem of your bowl point to Bohemian.

I have these two/three including the last little pot.  They all have a solid or rather I mean a 'closed'  foot and polished pontil mark and I think they're French. I tend to look first to Bohemian glass for those items that have the open trumpet shaped foot like your vase but I honestly don't know about yours.  Darnis does mention something about the foot formation and I think it mentions about the Bohemian foot shape - my French is rubbish and no time to translate at mo.

Maybe try searching Saint-Louis and seeing if anything comes up?

https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,44157.msg245903.html#msg245903

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The CMOG tazza was simply another with a trailed rim and the only one I found at the time. Although they could be from roughly similar dates perhaps that style of Clichy ware was aimed at a wealthier clientele. I had not found your examples that you link to though, I wonder if mine is a Bohemian take on a French fashion/innovation?

Searching the French makers, various examples do crop up including a couple of images from mostly dead links but these have blue rims:
https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/392891630558_/RARE-coupe-bol-assiette-cristal-dopaline-p%C3%A2te.jpg
https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/363961997094_/ancien-vide-pochecoupelle-dessous-de-bouteille-OPALINE-de.jpg

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  I have little knowledge to add, but this is screaming quality.
(Or is it that John's photography has got so good it's adding something, accidentally?)
Is the moulded petal pattern at the top of the base something that might help?

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I wondered about that petal shape too but in terms of a decorative style and a date - my impression was earlier rather than later Victorian but not based on anything that I could put my finger on.

My photography is still basic, it is simply point and shoot, the camera does everything - I know things like aperture and shutter speed are variables that can have a big affect but I continue to bury my head when it comes those technicalities. My ethos is take many shots, at least one of them should be okay! Saying that the process feels rusty, apart from the last month or two I have barely picked up my camera for a year (I no longer sell online).