Topic: Glass Rumer? Wheel Engraver ID

[wiggy131]

Anyone give me a help with an ID on this talented wheel engraver and who may of made this?
Is this called a Rumer Glass? Number 5/77 Surname looks to be Lonie
Thanks Vickie

[glassamore]

Hi Vickie

Not sure about your beautiful glass but I will see if I can find a maker in my searches.

Just in case you did not know about the motto and the family shield here is some information.

Where did our motto come from? In 1424 King James I of Scotland commanded Sir John Colquhoun, the Laird of Luss, Loch Lomond, to seize possession of the formidable and well-fortified Dumbarton Castle from the Earl of Lennox, who had become too powerful for the King’s comfort. Sir John replied to the King’s command in French (the accepted universal language of the time) “Si Je Puis – I will if I can”. He carefully laid his plans. The Highland chieftain gathered a group of his men and, under cover of darkness, hid them in the woods outside the castle’s gates. When morning came he set loose nearby a large stag which he had previously captured, chased by hunting dogs. The starving garrison in the castle saw the hunt and, unsuspecting, opened the gates to join in. The Chief’s clansmen then stole into the castle, successfully securing it and returning it to the King, without a drop of blood being spilled on either side.

In gratitude, the king bestowed on the Chief of Colquhoun a coat of arms with a crest showing a stag’s head and two deer-hounds as supporters bearing the motto “Si Je Puis”.

The name of Colquhoun is taken from an area of land around Kilpatrick which is on the north side of the River Clyde, to the west of Glasgow. These lands were granted to Humphrey of Kilpatrick by Malcolm, Earl of Lennox, in the time of Alexander II. In the 14th century, Sir Robert Kilpatrick married the Fair Maid of Luss, daughter of the Laird of Luss, and it is since then the chief of the Colquhouns has been known as Colquhoun of Colquhoun and Luss.

With best regards
Gary
Glass Amore

[NevB]

I think it might be F. W. Lonie and may have been put on by the owner to mark his property. The glass itself does look like a mid to late Victorian rummer but it's difficult to tell. If you could add some photos, particularly of the underside of the foot, it might help.

[wiggy131]

Wow, thanks so much Gary for all that information on the glass tumbler. That was so kind of you to do the research on the clan for me. What interesting history,
that will come in very handy when I sell the glass.
Hopefully we will also find out the maker. I see Lonie is a Dundee surname, so possibly someone from that area???

I once saw them using the wheel at the Penicuik crystal factory and it was fascinating watching there skill in creating all the patterns. Its a shame the place has gone now.

Nev, on your reply, It says a limited edition number, so I'm sure its the wheel engravers name.
But Thanks for your reply,
Kind Regards
Vickie

[NevB]

Sorry but I can't see where it says it's a limited edition or the number 5/77.

[wiggy131]

Here you are, I forgot to post that one!!
Ooops

[glassamore]

For what it is worth, I agree with NevB the etched name is F.W. Lonie. The family name originates from Scotland but also Ireland.
I hope you find your answer.
With best regards
Gary
Glass Amore

[glassamore]

Also thinking out loud - The 5/77 seems odd to me as a limited edition. Why would they make only 77 glasses? It could of been the etcher's mark or pattern number??? All guess work on my part but it may prompt someone to give a more educated answer.
With best regards
Gary
Glass Amore

[Greg.]

The 5/77 mark, could possibly indicate the fifth month (May) of the year 1977.

[Ekimp]

Collins Crystal (from 1987) has what looks like sand blasted etched designs that are basically the same (except for being etched rather than engraved). The blurb on Collins Crystal says the designs were based on original diamond point engravings by Brendan Collins.

Collins Crystal blurb: https://clan.com/clan-crest-wine-glasses-set-of-4

Collins Crystal etched Colquhoun design: https://heritageofscotland.com/products/collins-crystal-clan-shot-glass-colquhoun