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Offline Mars from Isergebirge

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Filigree shaft - what do you think?
« on: September 28, 2023, 06:03:50 AM »
Judging by where it was discovered, it's most likely Karlsthal or Josephinenhutte, but I'll appreciate your opinion.

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Re: Filigree shaft - what do you think?
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2023, 09:04:49 PM »
It might also be worth posting this on the paperweight board.  It looks like a stem of a goblet from the photograph?
Something like this (but these are very old)
https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-4264883

This site often has a good collection of Josephinenhutte items:

https://antikes-glas.de/products/Pokale-Kelchglaser-c153502262

 From what you say you have the books that seem to me most likely to be able to identify this. 

I could not see anything similar in Paperweights, Jargstorf.

It's a whole world of info and knowledge out there on paperweights of that region from what I can see reading online but you have the book 'Kordasiewicz, Marek, Glass Paperweights, The Heritage of the 19th Century Riesengebirge and Isergebirge Glassworks' already.  Is there any paperweight in the book with that cane in it?

There is nothing similar in From Neuwelt to the Whole World.

I think the paperweight collectors would find it very interesting.

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Re: Filigree shaft - what do you think?
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2023, 10:23:32 PM »
This is a Josephinenhutte paperweight sold at Bonhams.
If you copy and paste the picture into word it will enlarge to show a similar filigrana spiral but it's not the same.  More white threads and only one? perhaps of the red.  But it might be worth going through the paperweights you can find to see if you spot a match?

https://www.bonhams.com/auction/20952/lot/95/a-silesian-spaced-millefiori-paperweight-circa-1870/

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Re: Filigree shaft - what do you think?
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2023, 03:33:56 PM »
But it might be worth going through the paperweights you can find to see if you spot a match?


Well, check out this one for example: https://cyfrowe.mnw.art.pl/pl/katalog/427902

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Re: Filigree shaft - what do you think?
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2023, 04:16:39 PM »
I don't think that has the same filigrana cane in it?  If that's what you're asking me?

That has a similar filigrana cane to those seen in some paperweights but none have a cane like yours - there is one red thread in the spiral rather than like yours which has multiple red threads.

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Re: Filigree shaft - what do you think?
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2023, 04:26:48 PM »
True enough, but still the style seems similar. And Żelasko attributes the piece to Josephinenhutte, ca. 1850. I believe my piece must have come from there too. I'm looking for analogies, not necessarily exact matches (which I don't see anywhere).

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Re: Filigree shaft - what do you think?
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2023, 04:30:32 PM »
In order to get a definite identification it is important to look for exact matches.  Many glass houses made similar looking items - it's the detail and exact replication that would mean it was from the same place. 
I've looked at all the Silesian paperweights I could find online and none have that cane in that I could spot,  but I'm only searching in English.  Searching in German or Czech or Polish may well bring up many other items.

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Re: Filigree shaft - what do you think?
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2023, 04:39:32 PM »
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.  :)

 

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