Topic: Unrecorded? Mark on pressed glass compote c.1840

[cagney]

  I unpacked this compote recently and just realized that it is marked with a raised H&V on the inside bottom of the bowl. I cannot find anything about this mark anywhere. Any information or even guesses at this point much appreciated.

   This pattern of leaf scrolls and stars in quadrants separated by lines shows up in the Luanay, Hautin catalogues of 1840 and 1841in the form of plates no.1222. CMOG has a 4 in. plate in virtually the same pattern as the catalogue examples that they attribute to Belgium. 65.3.64. All these examples differ from mine in the center pattern, diamonds and star center versus dots and clear center.

  The closest example to my pattern can be found herewww.pressglas.de/Pressglas_1840-1940/Nullserie_start/Nullserie_2/nullserie_2.html. I think the mould for the bowl on mine is specifically to be attached to a stand , thus no need for the star center or a foot ring to rest on a flat surface.

[flying free]

This could be a complete misdirection however there is information here on Pressglas Korrespondenz regarding Russian examples of Launay Hautin glass:

https://pressglas-korrespondenz.de/archiv/pdf/pk-2008-2w-00.pdf

These have different markings on the base to that on yours.  However I was just wondering if perhaps yours might not be H & V but perhaps Cyrillic?  I couldn't see the mark on yours very well though so this suggestion could be way off course.(Edit - I've looked again and got my straight eyes on and I can see the mark now so my comments are possibly not relevant - it does look like H&V to me but that doesn't ring any bells.  Apologies)

That said, your pattern looks very similar to that in the Launay Hautin catalogue.  Perhaps it was later produced piece not in those catalogues?  or an earlier piece? For example I have a piece not in the catalogues (1840 or 1841) however it is thought to be an 1830s piece from probably Saint Louis.

[cagney]

  Thanks for the tip. At least its something, where before I had nothing. The H and V are literally the font I am using now, the & is an assumption on my part it could very well be something else, All somewhat soft and faint I think from fire-polishing.
The possibility that it is an earlier piece did cross my mind. The fact that the small pontil on the base left rough, the overfill on the rim and even the nice applied and shaped ring on the stem does not bring to mind French work c.1840.   another pos of the mark:
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[flying free]

That just looks like H V to me.  No 'and' or '&' or 'E' in the middle - though there might be a small circle?
Very interesting piece.   

[flying free]

Your photograph of the full inside pattern looks remarkably like the Reijmyre version (1897 page 60 no 2500) as quoted on the info on the link you gave earlier:

https://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Reijmyre-1897.165+B6YmFja1BJRD0xNjUmcHJvZHVjdElEPTY5MjgmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTY1JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html

However I couldn't spot any other of the footed bowls with a similar construction and the foot on their footed bowls looks different to yours.

[cagney]

  This pattern and variants [ very close if not the same ] also shows up in a VSL catalogue c.1847 and 1897, seems to have had a long and varied life. Interestingly the pattern on the foot seems to match the base/foot of an unrelated pattern in the 1841 Luanay & Hautin catalogue no. 2275 S&L.  It may be a mold makers mark similar to the "W""WR" "D" marks  discussed in an earlier thread.

[flying free]

I don't think the base of the foot is the same as 2275 (It's S.L. for Saint Louis I believe) 1841 2me Partie planche 72.

It looks different to me as that one isn't dotted but appears ribbed to my eyes?

[cagney]

  Not the same. Got ahead of myself there. Although some similarities in lay out. Target center, divided into quadrants what I see as probable diamond field between the lines . Hard to tell, quite small.