Topic: Air twist wine glass

[Keith Mick]

Hi, can anyone steer me in the right direction on an identification for this glass. Found at a car boot it has a cut and engraved ogee bowl which sits on a collar above an air twist stem. I think it's probably 20th century but so far have failed to find a similar item. It's lead crystal with a nice ping and stands approx 13cm tall.
Any help would be appreciated,
Cheers
Keith

[Paul S.]

sorry, absolutely not a clue as to maker ..........  what sort of finish is there in the pontil area, and is there wear?

[NevB]

It might be difficult to pin down a maker but it reminds me of ones by John Walsh Walsh which often had a very difficult to see etched mark.

[Paul S.]

always possible, of course, but have some memory that when engraving vine leaves, Walsh had a very distinctive way of engraving the leaf, such that the central areas appeared pale.    Perhaps go back on the Board's archive and look at some of the Walsh 'grape and vine' engraving.       Agree, their backstamp was always a pita to locate, and almost invisible at times.

[glassobsessed]

I have had sets of their glasses where some were marked and others not. In my experience pretty unusual to find anything Walsh made marked.

John

[flying free]

The Walsh mark is incredibly hard to spot and gets worn away with wear and tear on the base of some pieces I think.  I have also had pieces marked and unmarked.
As Paul says, Walsh polished the inside of their vine leaves in a patch on the pieces I have (but I suppose that might not be the case on all - I really don't know).
That airtwist stem is something else though.  Beautifully done.  I have no idea on who might have made it.  The only think I can of as some input, though my first thought wouldn't have been them because of the engraving,  is Rheinische Glashutten as they are the only maker I have seen those complex airtwists from -  apart from pieces I've seen listed as Georgian glass. 

Did Stuart do anything like those stems does anyone know?  I think I've seen Stuart bonnet shaped glasses with honeycomb cutting.

Or maybe Dutch?

[flying free]

If it is modern, does the engraving replicate some kind of Jacobite symbols? The design and subjects remind me of that but to be honest I don't know anything about them or antique v modern glasses.

[NevB]

In Eric Reynolds book there are some later glasses with air twist stems although not quite like this one. There doesn't appear to be anything the same in the pattern books but they aren't easy to see. I have several Walsh pieces and they are all marked, the Walsh mark wasn't introduced until 1926. The cut glass bowl with etched decoration above are typical Walsh. The etched design is unusual as it comprises a variant of the fruiting vine pattern, also leaves and flowers and what looks like oak leaves and flowers round the rim. My thoughts would be early 20thC., though it's hard to see how much wear there is. I wouldn't discount it being Bohemian/German.

[glassobsessed]

That is not a typical grape and vine motif, if that is what it is. Seems odd then to have oak leaves above, or oak leaves and flower, eek this is above my pay grade!

Some Rheinische Glashutten, the image is not great but the set is marked:
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/set-air-twist-roemers-koln-ehrenfeld-20493414

I suspect this one is from the same maker:
https://www.picclickimg.com/YQ4AAOSwaPNmp1DR/Antique-St-Louis-19th-Century-Air-Twist-Stem.webp

described as St Louis, which is also the attribution I gave my green glass in this topic a while back:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,68339.0.html

[flying free]

I have a whole set of Rheinische Glashutten Wilhem glasses with the airtwist stem.  They are impeccably made.
Mine are a different colour to these - more green:
https://www.mehlis.eu/de/catalogs/8316/item/3403/
My knowledge is extremely limited but I just can't reconcile the engraving.  The honeycomb cutting I think I have seen on German or Bohemian glasses and that airtwist from Rheinische Glashutten but the engraving and shape wouldn't make me think either. 
As I say, my knowledge is very limited.

Is there any wear on the foot of the glass?  Could you upload a picture of it against a white background so we can see the colour of the glass and how clear it is please?