Topic: C19 rummer.

[Paul S.]

many thanks Neil  -  I had a thought that from something said shortly after the publication, that there might have been a reprint, but obviously not.             Having read the book, I seem to recall that 1790 is about the earliest date for a U.K. rummer - this one has a snapped pontil scar so is likely earlier in the date range you mention.      As a general comment, we tend to assume that pieces with snapped scars are earlier than those with a ground/polished depression  -  possibly because it required some degree of the passing of time for makers to manage to acquire the skill to grind out the sharp scar (as you'll know, this is why C17 glasses have high domed feet).         But, weighed against that situation is the probability that some areas of glass making didn't bother to grind out the snapped scar since the market for such glasses was less than a refined use  -  i.e. pubs and taverns possibly - so snapped scars will have endured for longer in those situations  -  thus creating a slightly misleading thought on date.                               I wonder who has my book now /   

[neil53]

Hi Paul, yes, polished out pontil scars are normally later than rough ones but there was nothing to stop the scars being polished out in the 18th century other than convention and effort.  I've had occasional mid-18th century Georgian glasses with genuine period polished out pontil scars and mid-19th century Victorian glasses with rough ones.  Pity oldglassman (Peter) no longer appears to post on this site as it was he who educated me as to the occasional abberant glass.  Kind regards, Neil

[Keith Mick]

Hi,
Neither the Tim Mills- Rummers a social history or Stephen Parry's- Rummers and goblets, seem to be available as far as I can tell except perhaps at highly inflated prices! Nature of the market I suppose.
Cheers
Keith