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Offline Paul S.

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pressed decanters.
« on: August 25, 2024, 12:30:05 PM »
occurs to me that I seem to do better for stoppers, with pressed glass, than cut - these three are examples of the former.       I stuck a note to the centre bottle which reads 'Cottle', but now can't think how I arrived at that - there are some raised letters on the underside but they're virtually illegible  -  massive 'kick' in the base too.       The right hand example does have a Reg. No., but again almost illegible though the first three digits look to be 800 which puts it at early 1935  -  this problem of illegibility seems commonplace with these rather rough and ready pressed bottles.
But the bottle of interest is the larger piece - on the left - with noticeable neck rings - possibly Prussian in shape.    It surprised me to find this in McConnell - under the pressed section - and which he describes as 'moule en plein' - which possibly means something like 'hot moulded glass  -  he dates this to 1825 - 1835, and the matching stopper is a mushroom as you'd expect for this period.         If you have the first edition of Andy's book it's on page 289 - second bottle in.        Picture also attached showing the matching No. 68  -  in view of the lack of quality, I'd have thought it perhaps unusual for a moulded bottle to have a matching No., but it does occur here on both body and stopper  -   also attached is picture showing the ground/polished pontil.              There seems to be some suggestion that similar bottles are from Baccarat, but there is nothing on the bottle to confirm this.    This isn't entirely pressed - the neck, and both rings have cut facets, which add a touch of class, and the bottle has survived unscathed, though there is a chip on the stopper.
P.S.    I've scrutinized the middle bottle again, and can just make out the Reg. No., which is 744629, which is indeed Cottle, and dated 2nd April 1929.

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Re: pressed decanters.
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2024, 09:04:17 AM »
  Concerning the decanter at left, the pattern well documented in the Launay, Hautin catalogues c.1840. This may be of interesthttps://glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,71838.msg400053.html#400053

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Re: pressed decanters.
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2024, 11:52:11 AM »
thanks for the link - very interesting  -  some of this information can be found in McConnell's 'Decanter' book  -  I thought the details about Ismael Robinet and his tuberculosis very poignant, hopefully the medal and 8,000 Francs went some way to relieving his troubles  -  that we should remember his name after all these years is testament to his invention.      I'm in two minds as to whether to collect pressed bottles  -  I should, I know - but they lack the finesse of cut decanters of which I'm a great fan,  -  it really brings history alive to hold something that you know was made so far back.                 Pressed examples from this era are certainly fine pieces  -  they're very heavy and the moulding is good  -  plus the added bonus of having some cutting/polishing on the neck rings makes for a great bottle.               thanks again - your words well worth reading and good to have extra information on these decanters. 

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Re: pressed decanters.
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2024, 02:24:37 AM »
Middle one is JC Cottle, see here Paul https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,52779.0.html. I seem to recall the right hand one is Cottle as well, I think I have one like it somewhere.
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Re: pressed decanters.
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2024, 07:26:41 AM »
thanks Anne  -  as you can see from my P.S., I did finally manage to read the Reg. No. for the middle bottle and agree it is Cottle 744629.              Should obviously read my own previous posts - I notice that the stopper on my example in the link (from 2013, and now gone), has a mushroom stopper, whereas this most recent example has a spire design, and notice that Fred's example of 744629 also had a spire, though the mushroom pattern is perhaps more appropriate for the period.
I'll try again to read details under the right hand example - though I don't think it's going to be legible.              As for the shape of the right hand bottle - possibly it's some form of 'taper' ?  -  and
will be interesting if you are able to confirm this one was also a Cottle invention.

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Re: pressed decanters.
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2024, 01:57:06 PM »
have now managed to read the Reg. No. on the base of the right hand bottle, which IIRC is 800910 from 6th March 1935, and was allocated to Canning Town Glass Works.      I know almost nothing about this outfit - other than the name - but you may find a little of interest in this oldish GMB link   ......  https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=25679.0  -  where David Watts provided some limited information, which was added to as you can read.

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