Topic: White Trumpet Vase - Edward Moore ?

[MHT]

I have not seen this design before. White trumpet vase, 7" tall. It has the rainbow pattern which has been attributed to Edward Moore:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,62285.msg405990.html#msg405990

What intrigued me was the colour. It is not a solid opaque white all the way through, in places it is quite translucent.
This really shows on the top rim whch is clear glass for the first 2 or 3 mm before changing to opaque white.
Is this a mix of clear and white glass or has the white glass somehow separated, if this is even possible?

See what you think.

Mike

[thewingedsphinx]

Hi Mike,
I’ve seen this pattern in an unusual mauve colour. It’s a rare pattern.
 I’ve also seen some known Davidson creamers with clear edges then a white body so I presume a poor colour mix. Perhaps they were just experimenting.

The link you show to the rainbow pattern is definitely a characteristic of an Edward Moore mould as we had one of those small baskets in the caramel colour. I think Raymond slacks book mentions that Davison acquired Edward Moores moulds in the early 20th century.

Regards Mike

[MHT]

Thanks Mike, it's a nice little vase. If they had the moulds it could have been made by Davidson.

I would have thought that once the ingredients for the glass were mixed and heated they would have stayed as the intended colour and not separated out. I don't know enough about the process,
that's why I thought it may have been white mixed with clear, perhaps as you say they were experimenting.

I have a small 'nipple' basket in a caramel and white mix. I always thought these were made by Moore purely because of the number of variation of colours seen. I have seen them in over twenty different colours.

Mike

[Lustrousstone]

I suspect the clear edges are not caused by colour separation but are because of the opacifier used. I bet if you hold it up to sunlight you get an opalescent effect. I think the white is not actually white colorant; rather it is a concentrated heat reactive opacifier that gives the appearance of white, as in the Davidson moonshine

[MHT]

I haven't any Moonshine but I have had a look at a number of pieces online. It looks similar to white Burtles and Tate swans and Molineax Webb pikes I do have and I see what you mean about the opalescence.

The vase does look different, the white is bright and very opaque especially at the top where it meets the clear rim. There is about 1/2" on the rim where the white slightly mixes with the clear, otherwise there is a solid line where the white just stops and the clear starts, no fade. If it was handmade and not pressed you would say a clear glass rim had been added to an opaque white body.

With any luck we may see the sun tomorrow so I will check for opalescence.

[MHT]

We had a brief bit of sun yesterday, no opalescence I'm afraid.

But I did find this. Fenton silver crest glass from the 1940's.  If you search Google for ' Fenton silver crest ', you will find various white items with a clear edge. This is very similar what I was trying to describe.

[Lustrousstone]

The Silver (and Blue) Crest has an applied edge, which this does not. However you do see the clear effect in things like the Macbeth Evans American Sweetheart Monax range and similar white (not milk) depression glass